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05-20-2009, 10:14 PM
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Rob Niedermayer/Brayden Schenn

Brian Burke seems to like getting brothers. Think of both the Sedins and the Niedermayers. So maybe he will indeed go after Brayden Schenn; it would fit Burke's style.

That got me thinking about Rob Niedermayer. He was a year younger than his high draft choice, star WHL defenseman brother Scott. The comparison is not exact. Scott was a high scoring, fast skating defender, not nearly as big as Luke Schenn and, at that time, not as defensively advanced as Schenn, if I recall correctly. (Though he has certainly learned to play in his own end over the years!) The similarities between Rob and Brayden are actually somewhat closer. Both were high scoring western forwards who are certainly defensively responsible. Brayden is probably a little more gifted offensively, given the fact that Junior hockey is not as high scoring as in the early 90's. Rob is a better skater, however, at least in my opinion and may be a little bigger than Brayden will turn out to be. (That's a guess.) But they are surprisingly similar players and Rob was drafted at number 5 overall, just about where Brayden will go, I would guess.

So here's the question: if Brayden turns out to have a career similar to Rob's, would you be satisfied with using a #5 overall choice on him?

For quick reference, here are Rob's career stats

Regular season

Gp 1011 G 171 A 257 Pts 428 PM 837

Playoffs
Gp 104 G 17 A 22 Pts 39 PM 103

And, of course, one Stanley Cup

So, what do you think?

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This is how our lineup should look


Sedin E Staal Hossa
Schenn Sedin M Hossa
A Kostitsyn J Staal Niedermayer
S Kostitsyn T Ruutu J Ruutu

T Kaberle Schenn
Niedermayer M Staal
F Kaberle Kronwall
Kronwall

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This is how our lineup should look


Sedin E Staal Hossa
Schenn Sedin M Hossa
A Kostitsyn J Staal Niedermayer
S Kostitsyn T Ruutu J Ruutu

T Kaberle Schenn
Niedermayer M Staal
F Kaberle Kronwall
Kronwall
Maybe add Tony and Phil, so we can have a Goalie. Any other brothers out there who include a goalie?

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So here's the question: if Brayden turns out to have a career similar to Rob's, would you be satisfied with using a #5 overall choice on him?

So, what do you think?
Frick no!!!

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No, I would not be happy.

But if he turns out to be like Mike Richards, yes.

In other words, this thread is pointless.

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What if Luke Schenn is the Rob Niedermayer of the Schenn brothers? Should we draft Brayden, hoping he will be the Scott, or go with Paajarvi-Svensson instead? (Given the choice).

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What if Luke Schenn is the Rob Niedermayer of the Schenn brothers? Should we draft Brayden, hoping he will be the Scott, or go with Paajarvi-Svensson instead? (Given the choice).
Considering Scott Niedermayer is twice the player Rob is, I guess that would mean Brayden would be the equivalent of a Wayne Gretzky?

In that case: MPS, easy!

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This is how our lineup should look


Sedin E Staal Hossa
Schenn Sedin M Hossa
A Kostitsyn J Staal Niedermayer
S Kostitsyn T Ruutu J Ruutu

T Kaberle Schenn
Niedermayer M Staal
F Kaberle Kronwall
Kronwall
Joel & Henrik Lundqvist
or
Drew & Ryan Miller

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Maybe add Tony and Phil, so we can have a Goalie. Any other brothers out there who include a goalie?
I guess the colaiacovo brothers are out of the question!

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If Brayden becomes a 30 point grinder, yes I'll be damn pissed if we got him at #5. Guys like that can be had in the 5th round.

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I guess the colaiacovo brothers are out of the question!
never heard of em

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Lundqvist twins please. Henrik for the Leafs and Joel for the Marlies.

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I guess the colaiacovo brothers are out of the question!
Yeah, too bad the Leafs never bring back former players.

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Yeah, too bad the Leafs never bring back former players.
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Considering Scott Niedermayer is twice the player Rob is, I guess that would mean Brayden would be the equivalent of a Wayne Gretzky?

In that case: MPS, easy!
I'd say he's at least 10 times the player Rob is.

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I'd like Brayden, but I hope to hell that we don't take him because we have Luke.

Take him because you believe he is the very best player to draft at our position. I want to believe the Richards comparisons are just. but, a part of me see him topping out as a scoring grinding 2nd liner as well, too high top pick that type of player imo. tough to say really...

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no i would not be upset. do not confuse rob of today with pre-lock out rob... he was very good at what he did...

however watch b schenn for 10 min and you'll see his skill set is much more elite then robs... which consists of good skating, shooting and checking, with excellent positional play. schenn has all of those plus amazing creativity, and great vision.... might be a tad more eager to drop[ the gloves too..

either way its not a total bust, i truly believe he will be better then that though, and i think having him and luke together can only be a good thing!

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Rob Niedermayer was a very different player before his concussions. Schenn has a better skillset, anyway.

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Not really a fair comparison.

I see a lot more upside with Brayden. He has the potential to become a Richards type player with an offensive flair that has yet to be untapped.

I would be more than happy to get him @ 5th overall, it's a good move for Burke and a sound off/def brother pair to build the new look Leafs around.

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Brian Burke seems to like getting brothers. Think of both the Sedins and the Niedermayers. So maybe he will indeed go after Brayden Schenn; it would fit Burke's style.
We seem to know alot about Burke's style

1. he likes going for the brother acts
2. he likes north american players
3. he likes big, tough, gritty players
4. he likes former players

Reading on here these points seem to be set in stone. Knowing all this we should be able to pin point all of Burkes moves over the next couple of years, he seems to be a pretty predictable GM.


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We seem to know alot about Burke's style

1. he likes going for the brother acts
2. he likes north american players
3. he likes big, tough, gritty players
4. he likes former players

Reading on here these points seem to be set in stone. Knowing all this we should be able to pin point all of Burkes moves over the next couple of years, he seems to be a pretty predictable GM.
I think you can throw all that out the window except for number 3. He's not going to go out of his way to make the brother act happen (not unless it makes sense, as far as acquiring Brayden).

The second point, sure. But he will also differ to his scouts. I don't believe we will see no europeans selected by the Leafs in the draft. And I can see him adding a player or two this offseason, that's from Europe. He's already close to adding one, Gustavsson.

A lot of GM's like former players. Familiarity is something you see, because GM's often want someone in their locker room they can trust. Which is why Burke brought in May. But Burke knows this team needs to be built with youth, and I think you're going to see a lot of spots left open for young players. Which won't leave a lot left for former players of his.

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We seem to know alot about Burke's style

1. he likes going for the brother acts
2. he likes north american players
3. he likes big, tough, gritty players
4. he likes former players

Reading on here these points seem to be set in stone. Knowing all this we should be able to pin point all of Burkes moves over the next couple of years, he seems to be a pretty predictable GM.
Yeah, the North American preference seems to be a bit of a myth, I mean he is a GM who has gone out and gotten players like the Sedins, Teemu Selanne, Sami Salo, Sami Pahlsson and built around guys like Markus Naslund, Mattias Ohlund.

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Yeah, the North American preference seems to be a bit of a myth, I mean he is a GM who has gone out and gotten players like the Sedins, Teemu Selanne, Sami Salo, Sami Pahlsson and built around guys like Markus Naslund, Mattias Ohlund.
It is a myth. It's a North American style game he's after. Not North American players.

You watch a Ducks game and every single line is willing to drop the gloves regardless of their nationality. I think even Selanne would do it if he was pushed.

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It is a myth. It's a North American style game he's after. Not North American players.

You watch a Ducks game and every single line is willing to drop the gloves regardless of their nationality. I think even Selanne would do it if he was pushed.
And I'd say that we're likely to see more North Americans drafted, than anyone else. But, that doesn't mean we won't see Europeans signed, or drafted by Burke. There's just going to be a bias towards Canadians, for the most part, because they play that style naturally.

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