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05-21-2009, 12:50 PM
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Smash and grab (RFA's)

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I'd be extremely surprised if Plekanec, Higgins and Latendresse even get a sniff from another team.

Also, in the event that they do garner interest I can see the offer being large enough for the Canadiens to match the offer.

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Gainey should go after Krejci, Johnson, and Upshall

resign: Kovalev, Koivu and Tanguay, Latendresse, Higgins

Let Plecks and Komi go

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05-21-2009, 01:14 PM
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RFAs are going to be too expensive in terms of draft picks (and often salary) for what they bring, never mind that they are relatively unproven.

Krejci, for example, could easily be the next Plekanec.

Making an offer that might nab these players is going to cost multiple first round picks and none of them are worth that.

That route is pretty much a no-go.

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Booth or JJ would be awesome. Not too high on the price to be paid though.

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RFAs are going to be too expensive in terms of draft picks (and often salary) for what they bring, never mind that they are relatively unproven.

Krejci, for example, could easily be the next Plekanec.

Making an offer that might nab these players is going to cost multiple first round picks and none of them are worth that.

That route is pretty much a no-go.
I told that to my friend who is a bruins fans the other day,he's a good player but let me see him do that 3-4 years in a row

i like Zajac on that list

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Sign Grabovski to an offer sheet.

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Ruutu from Carolina

Kessel

Jack Johnson

Or on the cheaper side, Methot, a big, strong reliable d-man in Colombus.

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If somebody wants Higgins or Plekanec badly enough to give us a boatload of draft picks and overpay them, then that's probably ok by me. I mean, those guys already kind of put themselves into the position of impending-UFA status with their poor seasons - the Habs can't really offer them long-term deals (not at $$$ they'd be sane to accept, anyway), so if they're just getting bridge deals to re-prove themselves, then they'll be UFAs very soon.

And as for us taking RFAs from somebody else... didn't we already have this discussion? Wouldn't we have to only take RFAs with cap hits above $5.8M or something like that due to lacking our 2010 3rd round pick for the compensation?

The RFA market is probably not one that our team needs to waste any time thinking about, in either direction.

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Krejci, for example, could easily be the next Plekanec.
i remember discussions last year about how krejci was a lot like plekanec, slightly undersized (potential) 2nd line center. krejci is more of a playmaker and pleks is more of a goal scorer, but the idea was that they'd be similar down the line.

last year pleks got 25+ goals and nearly 70 points. this season, krejci got 20+ goals and 70+ points. both were breakout years.

can't predict that krejci will have a tough year next season, but a lot of it has to do with how well the team is playing, who's on your line, etc. pleks was more combative in the o-zone last season, the same way krejci was seen hitting our d men all year long this year. i'd rather keep pleks than swap him for krejci, who will no doubt need to be way overpaid to take him out of the bruins' possession.

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Let Plecks and Komi go
Let a cheap asset like Plekanec walk for nothing? It's one thing to not live up to expectations for one season, but he has still been well worth his salary.

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Let a cheap asset like Plekanec walk for nothing? It's one thing to not live up to expectations for one season, but he has still been well worth his salary.
There's also the fact that we would need to replace him, and any equivalent UFA would cost way more on the market.

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Booth or JJ would be awesome. Not too high on the price to be paid though.
I like these guys too...

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RFAs are going to be too expensive in terms of draft picks (and often salary) for what they bring, never mind that they are relatively unproven.

Krejci, for example, could easily be the next Plekanec.

Making an offer that might nab these players is going to cost multiple first round picks and none of them are worth that.

That route is pretty much a no-go.
Not unless you offer more than 5,2 mil... or else you don't lose that many picks.

The current expected RFA compensation table for 2008-09 is:


$863,156 or less - None

$863,156 - $1,307,811 - 3rd round pick

$1,307,811 - $2,615,623 - 2nd round pick

$2,615,623 - $3,923,434 - 1st and 3rd round pick

$3,923,434 - $5,231,246 - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

$5,231,246 - $6,539,061 - Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

$6,539,061 or more - Four 1st round picks


Wouldn't you offer 5 mil per for Kessel for the next 5 to 8 seasons, and end-up losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks? While at the same time, forcing Boston to pay 5 mil for that player if they match that offer???

I think I would do that...

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i remember discussions last year about how krejci was a lot like plekanec, slightly undersized (potential) 2nd line center. krejci is more of a playmaker and pleks is more of a goal scorer, but the idea was that they'd be similar down the line.

last year pleks got 25+ goals and nearly 70 points. this season, krejci got 20+ goals and 70+ points. both were breakout years.

can't predict that krejci will have a tough year next season, but a lot of it has to do with how well the team is playing, who's on your line, etc. pleks was more combative in the o-zone last season, the same way krejci was seen hitting our d men all year long this year. i'd rather keep pleks than swap him for krejci, who will no doubt need to be way overpaid to take him out of the bruins' possession.

Don't forget that, next year, everyone will know who Krejci is, even the opposinfg coach! It's not only how the team's playing and who you're match with, its a combination of all that + how well your name is known aroud the league.

Same goes for Plekanec for this year

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Wouldn't you offer 5 mil per for Kessel for the next 5 to 8 seasons, and end-up losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks? While at the same time, forcing Boston to pay 5 mil for that player if they match that offer???

I think I would do that...
I'm not sure that I would, not on the strength of a single season. The 1st-2nd-3rd is actually not a bad tradeoff for him, but five million seems like it would be difficult for him to live up to consistently and thus result in a bit of a cap bind. The big benefit of having young players is that they outproduce their contracts, after all.

IIRC though, Montreal doesn't have the requisite picks making the matter quite moot.

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i would take any player on that list (especially JJ and Upshall)

I would even take Grabovski

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Not unless you offer more than 5,2 mil... or else you don't lose that many picks.

The current expected RFA compensation table for 2008-09 is:

$863,156 or less - None
$863,156 - $1,307,811 - 3rd round pick
$1,307,811 - $2,615,623 - 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 - $3,923,434 - 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,434 - $5,231,246 - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,231,246 - $6,539,061 - Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,061 or more - Four 1st round picks

Wouldn't you offer 5 mil per for Kessel for the next 5 to 8 seasons, and end-up losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks? While at the same time, forcing Boston to pay 5 mil for that player if they match that offer???

I think I would do that...
So based on that scale, we can only offer on guys from $1.3M-$2.6M (no point, the other team will match) or above $6.5M (and give up 4 1st rounders). Blech.

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I'd love for the Habs to go after guys like Dustin Brown and Jonathon Cheecho, those are the type of guys we need, also Francois Beauchemin, those three have grit and skill, we currently have skill but very little grit also maybe throw in a veteran backup for Price , someone to take the pressure off and show him how to stay calm. Next year will either be great or a miss the playoffs type of deal, if we loose our free agents and can't lure new ones, then it will be 2-3 more painful years. One thing I am waiting for is the draft, I am hoping we make a mega deal for someone, I never watch the draft, but this year will be different, I remain hopeful.

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i can see the islanders making an offer to Higgins ; They have said that they want more local players in their team . I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get both Higgins and Komisarek .If they get one of them , they have more chances to get the other one, so they could make an offer to Higgins or try to get him by a trade .

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i can see the islanders making an offer to Higgins ; They have said that they want more local players in their team . I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get both Higgins and Komisarek .If they get one of them , they have more chances to get the other one, so they could make an offer to Higgins or try to get him by a trade .
Based on Ozymandias' numbers, they'd have to offer over $2.6M otherwise the Habs would definitely match it.

And if they do offer that, I'd gladly take an Islanders 1st round pick for Higgins...

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