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05-22-2009, 02:22 PM
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NHL Scouting Combine

WHL: 18 players
OHL: 20 players
QMJHL: 11 players

USNTDP: 10 players

USHL: 8 players
NCAA: 1 player

Europe: 21 players

High School: 10 players

AJHL: 2 players

EJHL: 1 player

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Anyone know what EXACTLY they test on? I know, I've seen the videos of them riding bikes and running on treadmills...but what all do they do anyone know specifics?
Is there like an overall winner of the combine or something like that?

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05-22-2009, 02:51 PM
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I found a list once, and I don't remember it all, but a few are;

Vo2 max trials on bikes
Bench press, number of reps at a given weight
Medicine Ball toss from seated position
Timed situps
Timed pushups
Height/weight/bodyfat measurements
-Matt.

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They have to bench press 150 lbs as many times as they can.

Is it just me, or does that seem really light.

Colin Wilson had the highest a few years ago with 21.

Filatov had 5 if i remember correctly, feel free to correct me.

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They have to bench press 150 lbs as many times as they can.

Is it just me, or does that seem really light.
150lbs. at 21 reps is very difficult. fatigue starts to become a major factor after 15 reps. you should try it and let us know how many you get up. but be honest.

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150lbs. at 21 reps is very difficult. fatigue starts to become a major factor after 15 reps. you should try it and let us know how many you get up. but be honest.
Luca Cunti did exactly one of them during his scouting combine

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They have to bench press 150 lbs as many times as they can.

Is it just me, or does that seem really light.

Colin Wilson had the highest a few years ago with 21.

Filatov had 5 if i remember correctly, feel free to correct me.
I believe for the NFL combine they use 225 lbs, but those players are all 3 or 4 years older.

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I believe for the NFL combine they use 225 lbs, but those players are all 3 or 4 years older.
And they are ****ing football players.

You don't need a massive amount of upper body strength in hockey like you do in football.

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I believe for the NFL combine they use 225 lbs, but those players are all 3 or 4 years older.
they're....also football players?

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Heres the list:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=417452

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150lbs. at 21 reps is very difficult. fatigue starts to become a major factor after 15 reps. you should try it and let us know how many you get up. but be honest.
They're also very strict on form, you need to have perfect form on every rep for it to count. It's a lot harder when you can't cheat a bit.

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They have to bench press 150 lbs as many times as they can.

Is it just me, or does that seem really light.

Colin Wilson had the highest a few years ago with 21.

Filatov had 5 if i remember correctly, feel free to correct me.
The NFL benchpress they do use more weight, but if you have ever watched, they bounce it off their chests and just keep counting
At the NHL combine, the benchpress is monitored closely. There are guys on each side to make sure they are coming down far enough but NOT bouncing it off the chest at all, thus, they have to go more slowly to make sure they are "hitting the mark"
Another test that wasn't mentioned, I don't think, it the standing jump....both distance and verticle

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most of the combine activities are about endurance more so then pure out right power, if you have ever watched the video's they really are trying to push the kids to their max.

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I found a list once, and I don't remember it all, but a few are;

Vo2 max trials on bikes
Bench press, number of reps at a given weight
Medicine Ball toss from seated position
Timed situps
Timed pushups
Height/weight/bodyfat measurements
-Matt.

i think they test their jumping hight and distance
also they put a hexagon on the ground and they time them how long it takes to jump in and out on each of the sides

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21 rep of 150 pounds done smoothly and precisely is still pretty low-strength for a 18-20 year old athlete. Though one cannot gauge maximum strength from this workout, it equates to roughly a 250 pound bench max.

For the poster that asked for us to try this exercise - When I was 19(23 now), i weighed 170 and completed 20 reps at that weight. At that time, I maxed out at about 290. As someone who has done this type of drill, I would not suggest lifting a lighter weight as many time as you can. If your technique is poor and you try to fly through the exercise, you stand a very good chance at pushing yourself right into a torn muscle.

Anyway, for being the NHL hockey combine, I'm a little disappointed in the archaicness of tests being used to evaluate these players. I like some of these drills, but they do not tell a lot about what a player is capable of doing on the ice. I would like to see the addition of the following skill/strength/intelligence tests in an effort to push the sport further along, faster:

Timed horizontal forehand-backhand deke
Timed vertical forehand-backhand deke
Shot Power
Pass Accuracy
Forehand stick strength(weighted)
Backhand stick strength(weighted)
Leg press
Hockey theory and situations test
Reactions test(similar to, but more advanced than the basic eye test given at the DMV)

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The NFL is about power then NHL is about body conditioning.

All scouts and people involved all have strict instructions about where the rep begins and ends.

Colin Wilson's 21 is extremely good.

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[QUOTE=coachwithoutahead;19656658]21 rep of 150 pounds done smoothly and precisely is still pretty low-strength for a 18-20 year old athlete. Though one cannot gauge maximum strength from this workout, it equates to roughly a 250 pound bench max.

For the poster that asked for us to try this exercise - When I was 19(23 now), i weighed 170 and completed 20 reps at that weight. At that time, I maxed out at about 290. As someone who has done this type of drill, I would not suggest lifting a lighter weight as many time as you can. If your technique is poor and you try to fly through the exercise, you stand a very good chance at pushing yourself right into a torn muscle.

Anyway, for being the NHL hockey combine, I'm a little disappointed in the archaicness of tests being used to evaluate these players. I like some of these drills, but they do not tell a lot about what a player is capable of doing on the ice. I would like to see the addition of the following skill/strength/intelligence tests in an effort to push the sport further along, faster:

Timed horizontal forehand-backhand deke
Timed vertical forehand-backhand deke
Shot Power
Pass Accuracy
Forehand stick strength(weighted)
Backhand stick strength(weighted)
Leg press
Hockey theory and situations test
Reactions test(similar to, but more advanced than the basic eye test given at the DMV)[/QUOTE]

All players have also just completed the push-up test just prior to the bench press test....resulting in smaller number of reps. Believe me, if you have seen Colin Wilson, he is a beast!
Also, all players have to complete an on-line intelligence/reaction test before heading to the combine. None of these results are released as far as I know.


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21 rep of 150 pounds done smoothly and precisely is still pretty low-strength for a 18-20 year old athlete. Though one cannot gauge maximum strength from this workout, it equates to roughly a 250 pound bench max.

For the poster that asked for us to try this exercise - When I was 19(23 now), i weighed 170 and completed 20 reps at that weight. At that time, I maxed out at about 290. As someone who has done this type of drill, I would not suggest lifting a lighter weight as many time as you can. If your technique is poor and you try to fly through the exercise, you stand a very good chance at pushing yourself right into a torn muscle.

Anyway, for being the NHL hockey combine, I'm a little disappointed in the archaicness of tests being used to evaluate these players. I like some of these drills, but they do not tell a lot about what a player is capable of doing on the ice. I would like to see the addition of the following skill/strength/intelligence tests in an effort to push the sport further along, faster:

Timed horizontal forehand-backhand deke
Timed vertical forehand-backhand deke
Shot Power
Pass Accuracy
Forehand stick strength(weighted)
Backhand stick strength(weighted)
Leg press
Hockey theory and situations test
Reactions test(similar to, but more advanced than the basic eye test given at the DMV)
Not all of these kids do a lot of weight training. I think asking an 18 year old who is physically strong and well conditioned but has no experience lifting or weight training to do multiple reps at 200+ lbs is temping serious injury.

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How much does the combine affect prospect rankings for scouts. I know there is no exact answer but I am just thinking that it is more for a team to better assess what kind of training program the player needs to be put on after drafting. It seems like combine scores take a way back seat to reports on hockey sense and skills as physical attributes can be improved a lot easier than the first two reports.

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I can do 225 around 18-19 times. That's around what some safeties do it but I can't run a 4.5 and Collin Wilson would skate circles around me. If a player has a nice bench its a plus but realistically I think they are looking more for endurance and actual hockey skill.

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How much does the combine affect prospect rankings for scouts. I know there is no exact answer but I am just thinking that it is more for a team to better assess what kind of training program the player needs to be put on after drafting. It seems like combine scores take a way back seat to reports on hockey sense and skills as physical attributes can be improved a lot easier than the first two reports.
As it should. This isn't the NFL where the combine is going to drop or raise you 10 picks.

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As it should. This isn't the NFL where the combine is going to drop or raise you 10 picks.
Definitely, skills and smarts have a lot more to do with long term success than current physical condition that will likely dramatically change once a player goes pro and dedicates himself fulltime.

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Would it be safe to say Colin Wilson was the unofficial winner of the 2008 Combine?
I hear Matt Duchene is in pretty good shape and should do well at this combine.

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Would it be safe to say Colin Wilson was the unofficial winner of the 2008 Combine?
I hear Matt Duchene is in pretty good shape and should do well at this combine.
Bogosian gave him a run for his money last year if i remember correctly.

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Would it be safe to say Colin Wilson was the unofficial winner of the 2008 Combine?
Didn't Brandon Burlon dominate at the combine last year? I think he won push-ups, pulling strength and pushing strength.

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