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05-22-2009, 11:38 PM
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Would be much more interested in the Oilers getting the King's #5 overall pick than in picking up "Ted" and "Jon".

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Has Blum really fallen that far?
No he hasn't fallen off at all actually. This guy must be an Oilers fan.

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05-23-2009, 02:13 AM
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No he hasn't fallen off at all actually. This guy must be an Oilers fan.
Exactly, Oilers win this deal and Preds lose it. LA, not so sure. Blum is the prize in this deal.

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Exactly, Oilers win this deal and Preds lose it. LA, not so sure. Blum is the prize in this deal.
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Exactly, Oilers win this deal and Preds lose it. LA, not so sure. Blum is the prize in this deal.
Blum is no prize to Edmonton. Edmonton has no interest in Blum and would rather have it's pick. So how does Edmonton win this one again? Neither of the proposed pieces does anything to help Edmonton as the pieces being offered are either already have similar players in Edmontons system or can't crack the lineup with their current team and won't crack it with us either.

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Exactly, Oilers win this deal and Preds lose it. LA, not so sure. Blum is the prize in this deal.
The Oilers win the deal? Seriously?

We have Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert, Grebeshkov, Smid, Peckham, Chorney, Petry, Plante all here or waiting for roster spots on the backend. But you think Blum has value to Edmonton? If Edmonton really wants another D than there is Kulikov, OEL, Cowen all in the draft that can fall to out spot. This Oilers have no reason to do it.

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05-23-2009, 11:21 AM
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I no way shape or form does Nashville win this deal. Boyle is grinder the Preds dont need. Blum is a big piece of the Preds defensive future and while he could be had, adding something that hurts us and moving up 6 spots for an unknown is not something I would do.

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05-23-2009, 12:50 PM
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The Oilers win the deal? Seriously?

We have Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert, Grebeshkov, Smid, Peckham, Chorney, Petry, Plante all here or waiting for roster spots on the backend. But you think Blum has value to Edmonton? If Edmonton really wants another D than there is Kulikov, OEL, Cowen all in the draft that can fall to out spot. This Oilers have no reason to do it.
The Oilers would come out as winners if this deal were to happen based to the value they would be recieving. This deal doesn't make since for the Predators either seeing as we already have a boatload of bottom-six forwards as it is.

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05-23-2009, 01:19 PM
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The Oilers win the deal? Seriously?

We have Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert, Grebeshkov, Smid, Peckham, Chorney, Petry, Plante all here or waiting for roster spots on the backend. But you think Blum has value to Edmonton? If Edmonton really wants another D than there is Kulikov, OEL, Cowen all in the draft that can fall to out spot. This Oilers have no reason to do it.
That's like saying, we don't want an uncut diamond because we already have a number of nicely finished cubic zirconia.

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05-23-2009, 03:24 PM
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The Oilers would come out as winners if this deal were to happen based to the value they would be recieving. This deal doesn't make since for the Predators either seeing as we already have a boatload of bottom-six forwards as it is.
There is no value to EDM though, Jonathon Blum is good no doubt, but he would be fighting for a 5th or 6th D roster spot on our team and Theo Peckham may have that spot locked. So Blum would have zero impact for the Oilers, how would he have value to the Oilers?

For raw value even, the Oilers are giving a top 10 pick in a very deep draft for Purcell, who is the Rob Schremp of LA, and Jonathon Blum. Blum does not = the player we could get with the pick.

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Blum does not = the player we could get with the pick.
Blum among '09 D-men:
  1. Hedman
  2. Blum http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=557971
  3. Cowen
  4. Kulikov

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Blum among '09 D-men:
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  2. Blum http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=557971
  3. Cowen
  4. Kulikov
I would take Cowen ahead of him.

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05-24-2009, 11:27 AM
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Blum among '09 D-men:
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  2. Blum http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=557971
  3. Cowen
  4. Kulikov
Wow I'd take both Kulikov and Cowen over Blum easily. I'm really digging Kuli.

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LA - 5th overall / Brian Boyle / Ted Purcell
EDM - 10th overall
NAS - 11th overall / Jon Blum

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LA - 10th overall / 11th overall
EDM - Jon Blum / Ted Purcell
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05-24-2009, 01:32 PM
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Wow I'd take both Kulikov and Cowen over Blum easily. I'm really digging Kuli.
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Vancouver's Jonathan Blum was named [2008-09 CHL] top defenceman, edging Kulikov and Windsor's Ryan Ellis.
http://tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=279701

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FYI, Jonathon Blum is in his 4th season with Vancouver, Kulikov is in his 1st and Ellis is in his 2nd...

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Has Blum really fallen that far?
No. Blum could make the Predators' roster out of camp this fall, which is why Poile walks out of the room and gently taps his head against the wall whilst asking himself, "Why do I have to work with a bunch of idiots?"

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That's like saying, we don't want an uncut diamond because we already have a number of nicely finished cubic zirconia.
Uncut diamond, eh??? As someone mentioned he just finished his 4th season. You know who else won CHL defenseman of the year in his final year of Junior eligibility? Danny Syvret. So ya, CHL Dman of the year is an automatic ticket to superstardom. Just ask.....

Micki Dupont
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Derek Walser
Steve Gosselin


But, uh, ya, Blum definitely makes Souray look 2nd rate. Because there are plenty of 180lb Dmen who can handle guys like Iginla, Thornton, Nash, etc down low, everyone tries to draft stringbeans for Dmen.

Got a feeling Blum will have a very shortlived NHL career once he plays against full grown men 82+ games a year.

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Oh brother.
And what exactly do you mean by this??

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Brilliant. Blum is also 2 years older than Kulikov. Let's put this in perspective for a Vancouver fan:

I assume you like Cody Hodgson right? But he can't be as good as Luke Lynes, because in Hodgson's 1st year in Brampton Lynes had 65 points and Hodgson only 46.

That makes Lynes better. Correct?

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Edmonton is trading the 10th overall pick for one excellent prospect (Blum) and another very good prospect (Purcell). That's outstanding value. Even though the Oilers have quite a few defensemen, a team can never had too many young, quality defensemen. Adding Blum would give the Oilers the flexibility to trade Visnovsky, Souray (assuming he waives his NTC), Gilbert, etc. Purcell could probably slot into Edmonton's top-6 or at the very least top-9.

LA gets shafted in this deal. It doesn't make sense for them to deal a top-5 pick and two very good prospects for the #10 and #11 picks.

Nashville's part is pretty even IMO. They give up the better prospect in Blum but they get the higher draft pick, who could turn out to be better than Blum.

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That's like saying, we don't want an uncut diamond because we already have a number of nicely finished cubic zirconia.

Hahahahah I can't believe how overrated Blum is in this thread. Blum is better the Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert and Grebeshkov hey? LOL Blum will be a run of the mill top 4 guy in a few years. He will not be a top pairing guy, imo.

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Wow I'd take both Kulikov and Cowen over Blum easily. I'm really digging Kuli.
I'd even take Ellis and OEL over Blum, I think he has top 4 potential and that is the limit.

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Yeah so you've discovered older players are better then younger ones, through their development years, congrats.


The Oilers would have absolutely zero interest in this deal, we have a number of prospects/kids I'd play over either of Blum or Purcell. Sure LA gets boned the hardest, but that doesn't mean the Oilers take this trade. This proposal helps Nashville only.


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LA - 5th overall / Brian Boyle / Ted Purcell
EDM - 10th overall
NAS - 11th overall / Jon Blum

Receives
LA - 10th overall / 11th overall
EDM - Jon Blum / Ted Purcell
NAS - 5th overall / Brian Boyle
I wouldnt mind picking up Boyle to centre our 4th line, allowing Brodziak to move up to the 3rd, and Cogliano back to the second.
MacIntyre(6'6" 265lbs)-Boyle(6'7" 244lbs)-Stortini(6'3" 221lbs) would be an ugly line.....for both teams.

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Edmonton is trading the 10th overall pick for one excellent prospect (Blum) and another very good prospect (Purcell). That's outstanding value.
Well here is where we disagree. I'd say Blum is a very good prospect, not an excellent one and doesn't fill a need. With the 10th pick they could pick a dman if they so choose (one of whom is probably as good a prospect or better than Blum) or a forward who fills more of a need.

Purcell is not a "very good" prospect. He's 23 and hasn't established himself in the NHL yet. He was on a team that was below Edmonton in the standings and scored fewer goals than Edmonton and yet he couldn't crack the line up. I don't know why he'd be more able to if he moved a few hours north to Edmonton.

As I said in earlier... Edmonton has Schremp who is similar to Purcell in that he has scoring ability but has yet to make it in the league. I don't see why Edmonton is trying to get an older less talented version of Schremp.

The 10th pick allows Edmonton to pick their own destiny. They may end up with a player not as good as Blum, but I think having the option to pick a player they really want outweighs getting a good prospect at a non-need position.

As far as the LA part of the deal. I don't know, but I figure 10+11 vs 5 is a tough call. In many years the 10+11 picks would be better and in some the 5th would be better. I guess it depends on needs. Right now LA has a number of prospects and would probably rather have the ONE top line guy as opposed to 2 lesser ones.

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