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Dreger: Redden, Staal, Dubinsky for Kaberle, Stralman, Leafs 1st

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05-24-2009, 08:46 AM
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Dreger: Redden, Staal, Dubinsky for Kaberle, Stralman, Leafs 1st

Apparently Dreger said this on TV. No link, sorry. Stolen from the Leafs board

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TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger is reporting that N.Y. Rangers GM Glen Sather has offered Wade Redden, Brandon Dubinsky, and Marc Staal to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Tomas Kaberle, Anton Stralman and the Leafs 1st round pick (7th overall) in the 2009 NHL draft.

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05-24-2009, 08:49 AM
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So basically:

To Toronto

Staal
Dubinsky
Redden

To New York

7th overall
Kaberle
Stralman

Why would Toronto do this?

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noooooooooooo!

Staal is the man, Dubi rocks....Leafs would eat Reddens contract

Kaberle is great but for Staal?, can the 7th pick really play this year? and is Stralman that good?

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this is comical.....

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If it is true, it is a good starting point, but definately not enough coming to TO in my opinion. I feel that while Redden can still be a top dman in the league, his value has severly dropped in the last few years.

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Why would Toronto do this?
They get the two best young players in the deal?

I don't see why the Rangers would do this.

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Seems like a lateral move at best for Toronto.

It would likely make them better in the short run though.

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How is it lateral for TO when they get Staal who is young and incredible. good lord him and Schenn together and then Dubinsky who is another good yong player

only benefit to the Rangers is it gets Redden off the books

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They get the two best young players in the deal?

I don't see why the Rangers would do this.
thanks.

leafs fans are homers to a ridiculous degree.

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Well Redden has negative value, so Toronto would basically be doing the Rangers a favour with that one.

Kaberle+Stralman+7th Overall> Staal+Dubinsky

And i'm a Habs fan who hates the Leafs..


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Apparently Dreger said this on TV. No link, sorry. Stolen from the Leafs board
This trade offer by Sather equals epic failure. Someone should tell Sather that JFJ isn't running the team any more and the Leafs aren't going to let him off the hook for his bad contracts while giving him our best player and a potential franchise player with the 7th overall. This trade makes no sense for the Leafs, they are rebuilding.

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They get the two best young players in the deal?

I don't see why the Rangers would do this.
Redden contract, i wouldn't do Dubinsky + Redden for 7th round pick, no way we take that contract. Adding Staal doesn't help if Leafs give Kaberle, Stralman (future Kaberle replacement, high potencial), and 7th overall pic. If they want to dump Redden they better throw in something much more appealing, and there is no way we give 1st pick and those two players for that package of players. I don't know how loved they are with rangers but its a horrible proposal for Toronto.

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No way jose from Toronto's side .

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IDK, this just doesn't make much sense to me. I think it's going the wrong way for both teams. The Rangers are in a "win now" mode and though Kabs helps them I'm not certain he's that much better than Staal right now. Redden isn't an aweful player, he's now worth his current contract but he's no aweful and then losing Dubinski but gaining the #7 pick doesn't make sense if oyu plan on winning now.

For Toronto the only thing that makes sense is trading Kaberle for something that can help them later. To me I think they'd be better off to keep the #7 pick and trade Kabs in a seperate package. Maybe they don't get a Mark Staal type player but whomever they get a #7 + whatever the get for Kabs HAS top be better than Staal + Dubinski.

The value may be right but it just doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe others see it differently.

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Some people just fail to ignore the importance of the salary cap....The Leafs would be potentially taking back 6.5 (Redden) + 2.5-3 million (Dubinsky's new salary) + .827 (Staal). ...So probably along the lines of 10 million dollars in salary. This would allow the Rangers (with the retirement of Naslund) to overpay another Free Agent or make a run at Lecavalier.

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No way jose from Toronto's side .
yup

Burke LOLZ off of his chair

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thanks.

leafs fans are homers to a ridiculous degree.
Are you kidding?

I wouldn't take that trade...I love Staal...But we already have a Dubinsky in Stajan, Staal is great but Cowen will be just as good (with the 7th overall pick) and Redden is 6 million dollars worth of trash.

I'm in no way of fan of helping out the Rangers...let them sink and burn next year when the cap drops 6-10 million.

I'm going to love watching Gomez, Roszival, Drury and Redden play in the AHL.

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If the Leafs did this, they would have a nice young defensive duo there.

Schenn - Staal

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If the Leafs did this, they would have a nice young defensive duo there.

Schenn - Staal
As opposed to...

Schenn-Cowen?

oh and Kaberle and Stralman (thanks suprvilce lol)

and minus Redden.


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IDK, this just doesn't make much sense to me. I think it's going the wrong way for both teams. The Rangers are in a "win now" mode and though Kabs helps them I'm not certain he's that much better than Staal right now. Redden isn't an aweful player, he's now worth his current contract but he's no aweful and then losing Dubinski but gaining the #7 pick doesn't make sense if oyu plan on winning now.

For Toronto the only thing that makes sense is trading Kaberle for something that can help them later. To me I think they'd be better off to keep the #7 pick and trade Kabs in a seperate package. Maybe they don't get a Mark Staal type player but whomever they get a #7 + whatever the get for Kabs HAS top be better than Staal + Dubinski.

The value may be right but it just doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe others see it differently.
This is exactly how i see it (as a leaf fan)

It doesn't help us out, and not them....other than we take salary off their hands...and the only salary i want to take is from Boston....not from NY.

If Burke can somehow work a deal around Kaberle for Bergeron i'd be happy...i wouldn't touch any of those Rangers contracts....let good ol' Glen worry about what kind of mess he's created next summer.

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If we believe Burke's statements about being wary of adding big long-term salary with the cap declining, Sather can offer this all he wants.

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As opposed to...

Schenn-Cowen?

oh and Kaberle.

and minus Redden.
oh, and Stralman.

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My god what a horrible trade this would be for the Leafs. Thankfully Burke is running the show now and theres not a chance of this happening.

That 7th overall is as good if not better than Dubinsky or Staal, Stralman still has potential and Kaberle is both better and cheaper than Redden.

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I'd love to get Staal or Dubinsky, but Redden to the Leafs is a non-starter. Now, if it was Roszival instead, I'd seriously consider it.


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They get the two best young players in the deal?

I don't see why the Rangers would do this.
I think when it's all said and done, the two best young players would be Staal and the 7th overall (MPS/Schenn/Cowen)... let's say their approximately equal value.

That mean's were trading Kaberle+Stralman for Redden+Dubinski? I like Dubinski, but we already have Grabovski, Stajan and Bozak all competing for that 2nd line center position. I don't see why Leafs would do this.

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