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07-15-2010, 08:19 PM
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-Trade Reasoner
-Resign Bickell (675k / multi year)
-Resign Niemi or UFA goalie at 2.2
-Waive Huet

Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.675m)
* Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
Robert Klinkhammer ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Brian Connelly ($0.875m) / Shawn Lalonde ($0.773m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
* Antti Niemi ($2.200m) / Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m
PAYROLL: $59.827m; BONUSES: $0.573m; CAP ROOM: $0.145m

^
I like that roster alot

Would be risky going with rookie 3rd pairing but at same time ,,,,,,, Its just our 3rd pairing

Brouwer-Toews-Kane
Stalberg-Sharp-Hossa
Makarov-Bolland-Skille
Bickell-Dowell-Kopeckly
(Klinkhammer)

Keith-Seabrook
Campbell-Hjalmarsson
Connelly-Lalonde
(Scott)

Niemi/UFA
Toivonen

I think this roster doesn't miss a beat to be honest ,,,, Might be because I am so high on Makarov and Skille but to me that team is capable of repeating

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07-15-2010, 08:20 PM
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Bickell should come in at $550-600k. Dowell is already signed so his cap hit won't change. Also, Scott is on a 1-way deal so he will be up there as our #7 D/#13 F.
If Bickell gets 1 year he should end up around 600k ,,, If Hawks sign him to multi year deal like some are speculating I expect a higher cap hit in 675k range

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07-15-2010, 08:53 PM
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Bickell should come in at $550-600k. Dowell is already signed so his cap hit won't change. Also, Scott is on a 1-way deal so he will be up there as our #7 D/#13 F.
It's my understanding that having a one-way contract doesn't necessarily mean that a player will have to clear waivers if he's shipped from the farm club to the parent club or vis versa. It has to do with how much money they receive if they play on each club. Can anyone clarify that?

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07-15-2010, 11:49 PM
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-Trade Reasoner

I think this roster doesn't miss a beat to be honest ,,,, Might be because I am so high on Makarov and Skille but to me that team is capable of repeating
No chance. Just imagine what the Sedins will do to a rookie defensive pairing and Niemi or Toiv in goal. It will be a goal against every time. Vigneault loves to match and any home game they get the Sedins will be out every time against that pairing with last change. No way the Hawks will beat the Nucks in a 7 game series with that defense.

And the Hawks can't play Keith/Seabrook 35 mins a game, if they go down.... good god.

Luckily I'm a fan of both teams.

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07-16-2010, 01:22 AM
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No chance. Just imagine what the Sedins will do to a rookie defensive pairing and Niemi or Toiv in goal. It will be a goal against every time. Vigneault loves to match and any home game they get the Sedins will be out every time against that pairing with last change. No way the Hawks will beat the Nucks in a 7 game series with that defense.

And the Hawks can't play Keith/Seabrook 35 mins a game, if they go down.... good god.

Luckily I'm a fan of both teams.
hmmm Keith and Seabrook shutdown the Sedins 2 years in a row...


this year, while winning the Cup, Keith, Seabrook, Bolland and NIEMI just closed the door for them.

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07-16-2010, 01:26 AM
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There is no funnier overconfidence than Canuck overconfidence. Remember when the Sedins were just going to cycle the Hawks defense to death?

In any event the Hawks will pick up an experienced defenseman at the trade deadline should they decide they need one. No cap problems then.

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07-16-2010, 07:04 AM
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FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.700m)
* Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Brian Connelly ($0.875m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
* Antti Niemi ($2.400m) / Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m
PAYROLL: $59.529m; BONUSES: $0.352m; CAP ROOM: $0.223m

I could definitely live with the above roster. Don't know if Hendry would take say a 1 year deal at 750k, but I would have no problem having him as our #5/6 given our situation.

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07-16-2010, 08:13 AM
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FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.700m)
* Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Brian Connelly ($0.875m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
* Antti Niemi ($2.400m) / Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m
PAYROLL: $59.529m; BONUSES: $0.352m; CAP ROOM: $0.223m

I could definitely live with the above roster. Don't know if Hendry would take say a 1 year deal at 750k, but I would have no problem having him as our #5/6 given our situation.
Hendry more at 0.625
Bickell at 0.625

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07-16-2010, 10:39 AM
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It's my understanding that having a one-way contract doesn't necessarily mean that a player will have to clear waivers if he's shipped from the farm club to the parent club or vis versa. It has to do with how much money they receive if they play on each club. Can anyone clarify that?
You are correct, being on a 1-way contract only means he gets paid regardless of if he is in the NHL or AHL. The fact that he can play both F and D is why everyone should have him as their 21st player on their mock rosters. His price and the fact that he plays both F and D means he fits that role perfectly, especially due to the tight cap space.

I think we will go into this year with 21 players and ship waiver exempt players to Rockford on off days to make up a little more cap space for injuries, etc.

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07-16-2010, 12:21 PM
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You are correct, being on a 1-way contract only means he gets paid regardless of if he is in the NHL or AHL. The fact that he can play both F and D is why everyone should have him as their 21st player on their mock rosters. His price and the fact that he plays both F and D means he fits that role perfectly, especially due to the tight cap space.
You do realize the fact he is considered for both F and D is because he is equally useless at either, right? He can barely skate. Gorillas on Ice.

It's not because of any actual versatility...

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07-16-2010, 02:52 PM
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You do realize the fact he is considered for both F and D is because he is equally useless at either, right? He can barely skate. Gorillas on Ice.

It's not because of any actual versatility...
Agreed. I'm not sure why people are so high on the Scott signing. If you thought Matt Walker was a liability, just wait til' you see Scott on our blue line.

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07-16-2010, 03:50 PM
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FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / * Bryan Bickell ($0.700m)
* Jack Skille ($0.600m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Brian Connelly ($0.875m) / * Jordan Hendry ($0.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
* Antti Niemi ($2.400m) / Hannu Toivonen ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m
PAYROLL: $59.529m; BONUSES: $0.352m; CAP ROOM: $0.223m

I could definitely live with the above roster. Don't know if Hendry would take say a 1 year deal at 750k, but I would have no problem having him as our #5/6 given our situation.
Hate to say this, but this roster seems probable. Unfortunately for Niemi, the market for goaltenders is weak, he should realistically be making around the 3 million notch. On the plus side, I hope the arbitrator agrees with that assessment of mine.

Still have my fingers crossed, that Hawks will be minus a top 6 forward, or a top 4 dman, or Niemi.

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Agreed. I'm not sure why people are so high on the Scott signing. If you thought Matt Walker was a liability, just wait til' you see Scott on our blue line.
Except Matt Walker played every game. Scott will not.

Scott also demolishes people in fights so at least he brings something to the table.

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07-16-2010, 05:29 PM
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It's my understanding that having a one-way contract doesn't necessarily mean that a player will have to clear waivers if he's shipped from the farm club to the parent club or vis versa. It has to do with how much money they receive if they play on each club. Can anyone clarify that?
They make the same whether in the NHL or the minors. Since he would be making more than the max in the minors, according to the CBA, he will be subject to waivers when being sent down as well as when being recalled (re-entry waivers).


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Hate to say this, but this roster seems probable. Unfortunately for Niemi, the market for goaltenders is weak, he should realistically be making around the 3 million notch. On the plus side, I hope the arbitrator agrees with that assessment of mine.

Still have my fingers crossed, that Hawks will be minus a top 6 forward, or a top 4 dman, or Niemi.
If I am the blackhawks, I walk away from whatever Niemi gets awarded (unless it is under $2 mil) and sign Turco or Toskala.

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Except Matt Walker played every game. Scott will not.

Scott also demolishes people in fights so at least he brings something to the table.

Scott is very effective in his role and who he gets paired with will make a difference in his play. He had the Wild's second best +/- for all defensemen that played more than 40 games.


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Question: When the Hawks aquired Vishnevskiy, the Atlanta fans indicated he may move to the KHL if he doesn't make the club. Was that just speculation, and are Lalonde/Connelly clearly more ready to make the jump, despite Vish having a virtually identical cap hit and NHL experience?

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Hate to say this, but this roster seems probable. Unfortunately for Niemi, the market for goaltenders is weak, he should realistically be making around the 3 million notch. On the plus side, I hope the arbitrator agrees with that assessment of mine.

Still have my fingers crossed, that Hawks will be minus a top 6 forward, or a top 4 dman, or Niemi.
Why would you wish this upon the Hawks exactly?

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Because he's a Canuck fan?

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Question: When the Hawks aquired Vishnevskiy, the Atlanta fans indicated he may move to the KHL if he doesn't make the club. Was that just speculation, and are Lalonde/Connelly clearly more ready to make the jump, despite Vish having a virtually identical cap hit and NHL experience?
I asked the guys on Russia board if they heard anything about Vishnevskiy going to KHL and they all said there hasn't been anything about him doing that + he still has 1 year left on his contract

Problem with Vishnevskiy compared to Lalonde/Connelly is there bonus's on contracts help us out with our cap.

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hmmm Keith and Seabrook shutdown the Sedins 2 years in a row...


this year, while winning the Cup, Keith, Seabrook, Bolland and NIEMI just closed the door for them.
Yeah, it was ALL Keith and Seabrook. Madden, Ladd, Versteeg and the strong checkers on the Hawks had nothing to do with it. The last 2 years the Hawks have had A LOT more than just Keith and Seabrook to "shut down the Sedins" who were still a PPG in the series (is that even shutting them down?)

Go ahead and play a rookie pairing with a mediocre goaltender against any top line in the NHL and see what happens. The Sedins were just an example.

Having a rookie defensive pair and pretty much a rookie bottom 6 will not go well for the Hawks :

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If a rookie third pairing starts to look really bad the solution is rather simple.. you split up two of your top four guys so that the rookies are never out there on their own.

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Question: When the Hawks aquired Vishnevskiy, the Atlanta fans indicated he may move to the KHL if he doesn't make the club. Was that just speculation, and are Lalonde/Connelly clearly more ready to make the jump, despite Vish having a virtually identical cap hit and NHL experience?
Vish's cap hit is actually 200k-300k higher than either of those two guys.

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Yeah, it was ALL Keith and Seabrook. Madden, Ladd, Versteeg and the strong checkers on the Hawks had nothing to do with it. The last 2 years the Hawks have had A LOT more than just Keith and Seabrook to "shut down the Sedins" who were still a PPG in the series (is that even shutting them down?)

Go ahead and play a rookie pairing with a mediocre goaltender against any top line in the NHL and see what happens. The Sedins were just an example.

Having a rookie defensive pair and pretty much a rookie bottom 6 will not go well for the Hawks :
why should we ice Rookies against the TopLine?


in all POs... when there is no icing called... Keith and Seabs are out against the Top Line with Bolland.
if not them, Campbell and Hjalmmy with Toews


this would hurt us against a Team with great depth like the Flyers.

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why should we ice Rookies against the TopLine?


in all POs... when there is no icing called... Keith and Seabs are out against the Top Line with Bolland.
if not them, Campbell and Hjalmmy with Toews


this would hurt us against a Team with great depth like the Flyers.
The home team with the last change calls the shots. You may not have a choice.

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Why would you wish this upon the Hawks exactly?
Lack of confidence in his team.

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If we beat the Canucks with a d-pairing of ****ing Brent Sopel and Jordan Hendry, I'm pretty sure that our 3rd pairing won't be the difference in the series.

If Luongo decides to not be a little ***** and show up for more than the first two games, that would actually have an impact on the series.

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