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So has Del Zotto really passed Sanguinetti in terms of being NHL ready?

I'm not trying to hijack the thread here but people need to realize Sanguinetti just had a very impressive rookie season in the AHL. I just think it's a bit premature to assume that Del Zotto will be on the team over Sanguinetti.

Anyways back on topic and sorry about the tangent, I'm glad they have him signed, the defensive depth this team now has is a miraculous thing to have. With Sanguinetti, Gilroy, Del Zotto, Heikkenen, Potter, and Sauer all competing this training camp, management should not take this fore granted and they better make the right decision.
Yes.

Because Del Zotto is a more complete player at this stage.

Sanguinetti had a good year in Hartford, but he is still shaky in his own end. He is not there yet.

Del Zotto on the other hand is already ahead of Sanguinetti in that respect.

That doesn't suggest that Sanguinetti is a bad player, by any means, but he is not NHL ready.

Del Zotto is right there.

Another year in Junior will do nothing for him. And he can't go to Hartford as he is not 20 years old yet.

Del Zotto is steady enough, and plays positionally sound enough, and physical enough that the Rangers can take a flier on him out of camp because of what he can bring to the power play, and even strength for that matter.

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He was OK but not nearly as good as he should/could have been.
No, thats wrong, he had a great playoff that year.

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he had 20 points in 21 games and they reached the finals that year after being very mediocre in the season.
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So has Del Zotto really passed Sanguinetti in terms of being NHL ready?

I'm not trying to hijack the thread here but people need to realize Sanguinetti just had a very impressive rookie season in the AHL. I just think it's a bit premature to assume that Del Zotto will be on the team over Sanguinetti.

Anyways back on topic and sorry about the tangent, I'm glad they have him signed, the defensive depth this team now has is a miraculous thing to have. With Sanguinetti, Gilroy, Del Zotto, Heikkenen, Potter, and Sauer all competing this training camp, management should not take this fore granted and they better make the right decision.
MDZ looked good on both sides of the puck during last years camp, way ahead of what Bobby Sangs looked like at that age.

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Yes.

Because Del Zotto is a more complete player at this stage.

Sanguinetti had a good year in Hartford, but he is still shaky in his own end. He is not there yet.

Del Zotto on the other hand is already ahead of Sanguinetti in that respect.

That doesn't suggest that Sanguinetti is a bad player, by any means, but he is not NHL ready.

Del Zotto is right there.

Another year in Junior will do nothing for him. And he can't go to Hartford as he is not 20 years old yet.

Del Zotto is steady enough, and plays positionally sound enough, and physical enough that the Rangers can take a flier on him out of camp because of what he can bring to the power play, and even strength for that matter.

If he proves all of this at camp then I bet (hope) he'll get at least a trial run with the team. I don't see anything wrong with giving the kid a shot, we'll see if the Rangers brass feels the same way.

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Good for MDZ. I hope he forces his way onto the team.

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I think MDZ has a better chance making the team this year for a number of reasons... the cap, the probability that Morris and Mara will not be resigned, the fact that Sanguinetti and Gilroy might not be ready, and that Torts is the coach now and not Renney.

To me, Renney allowed the young kids to take the reins, but he followed the usual mantra of "dominate at the AHL level, and you are ready for the NHL" - while thats not exactly the wrong way to go about things... i believe that you dont necessarily have to do that, especially for a guy like MDZ who CANT play in the AHL this year, and has done a pretty damn good job of playing in the OHL.

Now, i dont know what Torts track record is with 19 year olds, and if hes the type of coach to say "hey, hes one of the top 6 defenseman in camp, so he made the team, plain and simple - age doesnt matter" He might be... i think he would be more adept at doing something like that than Renney would have. Especially considering that Torts plays that transition based system that is starved for a guy like MDZ. Problem is, will Torts be looking for a little more "jam" out of the group, and who will be signed in the offseason on D, if anyone to address that hole.

I do think MDZ has a legitimate shot, and he impressed the hell out of me last year in camp. But i think if he does it again, its all going to depend on what Tortorella wants out of his corps of D men, and if MDZ actually gets enough chances and time out there (in what will be a totally different camp, with less players than we've seen in the past and a much more in your face and physically demanding structure) to make himself a tough decision to cut. Its not going to be easy for the kid, but the bottom line and the deciding factor might be one extremely important dimension to his game and the Rangers past, the Powerplay.

IF MDZ rattles off some great PP work in the preseason, Tortorella might be forced to take him because that is more a hole in the Rangers game than a tough defensman.


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No body has to be moved in order for both of them to be on the team.

Mara and Morris are not coming back.

Staal - Girardi
Redden - Rozsival
Del Zotto - Gilroy
Except we need to really move Rozsival for cap reasons.

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Dude what the **** are you talking about?

Staals last year in the O saw him lead a pretty meh Sudbury team all the way to the OHL finals and almost win the whole damn thing! He won the Playoff MVP despite being on the losing team, which im sure is the ONLY time its happened in OHL history.


I take it you don't follow junior hockey at all, or really care to do a quick google search before you start spreading BS like its the truth.
Was my mistake. I thought he had a poor playoffs and a mediocre year. Was more of an extremely mediocre year and a good playoffs.

But the fact remains that he had a very mediocre year, overall, and Rangers brass admitted it was a mistake to leave him in the OHL.

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correct me if im wrong, but didnt Staal win the MVP of the OHL playoffs despite being on the losing team that season?

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I know people liked what they saw out of him at last years training camp, but I'm not sure that statements like "Del Zotto won't learn anything from another year in juniors and is ready right now to play in the NHL" are completely accurate.

I certainly hope he makes the team, I think if he plays well he should, but he still has to earn it and if he doesn't 'show he's ready in training camp, i really hope we don't hear people complaining about how he wasn't given a spot...

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That's 4 of last years draft already signed--MDZ, Grachev, Kundratek, Weise.

The one thing that might hold Del Zotto back might be strength issues. He had a very good camp last year though and if he follows it up with another one I don't know if we can send him back to the OHL.

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some interesting mdz tidbits

he was the youngest dman to ever play in the ohl allstar game when he played as a 16 yr old in 2007.


he was the 2nd overall pick in the 06 ohl priority draft. 2nd only to steven stamkos- who went 1st overall in 2008 nhl draft.

he participated in the annual CHL Top Prospects Game, where he won the shooting accuracy skills event by going 4-for-4.

Kyle Woodlief's Red Line Report scouting publication compares Del Zotto to Rangers defenseman Michal Rozsival at the same stage of his career and projects him as a power-play quarterback specialist. The publication's staff writes that Del Zotto is a "tremendously instinctive offensive force who sees the ice beautifully, shows great touch on passes and can really run a power play with superb puck movement skills."

Generals GM Brad Selwood takes his praise even further, giving him high praise in this year's NHL draft preview guide.

"He is just poised way beyond his years. He fit right in from Day 1," said Selwood, a former NHL player. "Last year when we first saw him, even in the exhibition games, you'd think he was 20-years-old. You'd have to rub your eyes and say; 'Wow, who is that kid?' He's so poised and so good with the puck ... He loves to pass the puck, and he's very good at it. Everything's hard and crisp and on the stick."


hes 6'0 and 210 lbs. thats solid even stocky. the kid is built.

i would say hes going to be a ranger this fall. just a hunch, but hes the real deal.

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correct me if im wrong, but didnt Staal win the MVP of the OHL playoffs despite being on the losing team that season?
Like I said. Bad memory on my part. He had a very mediocre season but capped it off with a very solid playoff.

Regardless, management admitted it was a poor choice to leave him in the OHL. Something that I agree wholeheartedly with.

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Like I said. Bad memory on my part. He had a very mediocre season but capped it off with a very solid playoff.

Regardless, management admitted it was a poor choice to leave him in the OHL. Something that I agree wholeheartedly with.
i want more than an admission of a bad memory...i want nothing short of utter humiliation on your part with supplication to me.


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Hopefully he makes the team out of camp. I was much more impressed with him than Sangs.

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i want more than an admission of a bad memory...i want nothing short of utter humiliation on your part with supplication to me.

My hype job of an article in the past on David Inman is more than enough humiliation.

And you will get no more than that.

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some interesting mdz tidbits

he was the youngest dman to ever play in the ohl allstar game when he played as a 16 yr old in 2007.


he was the 2nd overall pick in the 06 ohl priority draft. 2nd only to steven stamkos- who went 1st overall in 2008 nhl draft.

he participated in the annual CHL Top Prospects Game, where he won the shooting accuracy skills event by going 4-for-4.

Kyle Woodlief's Red Line Report scouting publication compares Del Zotto to Rangers defenseman Michal Rozsival at the same stage of his career and projects him as a power-play quarterback specialist. The publication's staff writes that Del Zotto is a "tremendously instinctive offensive force who sees the ice beautifully, shows great touch on passes and can really run a power play with superb puck movement skills."

Generals GM Brad Selwood takes his praise even further, giving him high praise in this year's NHL draft preview guide.

"He is just poised way beyond his years. He fit right in from Day 1," said Selwood, a former NHL player. "Last year when we first saw him, even in the exhibition games, you'd think he was 20-years-old. You'd have to rub your eyes and say; 'Wow, who is that kid?' He's so poised and so good with the puck ... He loves to pass the puck, and he's very good at it. Everything's hard and crisp and on the stick."


hes 6'0 and 210 lbs. thats solid even stocky. the kid is built.

i would say hes going to be a ranger this fall. just a hunch, but hes the real deal.
He was listed at 210 by publications before the 2008 draft but he worked to get his weight down to around 190 by draft day as he thought he was too heavy. I'm not sure he's at 210 again--he's probably a little less.

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some interesting mdz tidbits

he was the youngest dman to ever play in the ohl allstar game when he played as a 16 yr old in 2007.


he was the 2nd overall pick in the 06 ohl priority draft. 2nd only to steven stamkos- who went 1st overall in 2008 nhl draft.

he participated in the annual CHL Top Prospects Game, where he won the shooting accuracy skills event by going 4-for-4.

Kyle Woodlief's Red Line Report scouting publication compares Del Zotto to Rangers defenseman Michal Rozsival at the same stage of his career and projects him as a power-play quarterback specialist. The publication's staff writes that Del Zotto is a "tremendously instinctive offensive force who sees the ice beautifully, shows great touch on passes and can really run a power play with superb puck movement skills."

Generals GM Brad Selwood takes his praise even further, giving him high praise in this year's NHL draft preview guide.

"He is just poised way beyond his years. He fit right in from Day 1," said Selwood, a former NHL player. "Last year when we first saw him, even in the exhibition games, you'd think he was 20-years-old. You'd have to rub your eyes and say; 'Wow, who is that kid?' He's so poised and so good with the puck ... He loves to pass the puck, and he's very good at it. Everything's hard and crisp and on the stick."


hes 6'0 and 210 lbs. thats solid even stocky. the kid is built.

i would say hes going to be a ranger this fall. just a hunch, but hes the real deal.
And this is why Gordie Clark said he was very high on our board, yet another recent case of a good player dropping to us in the late 1st round.

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Like I said. Bad memory on my part. He had a very mediocre season but capped it off with a very solid playoff.

Regardless, management admitted it was a poor choice to leave him in the OHL. Something that I agree wholeheartedly with.
Meanwhile the player said it was good for him to go back. To me, the results speak for themselves.

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That's 4 of last years draft already signed--MDZ, Grachev, Kundratek, Weise.

The one thing that might hold Del Zotto back might be strength issues. He had a very good camp last year though and if he follows it up with another one I don't know if we can send him back to the OHL.


I think he'll be okay.

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i havent watched a lot of MDZ, so let me preface this with that.

with that said, from what i understand, MDZ was AWFUL on Oshawa. Ive read that he was abhorrent in his own zone, to the point of people wondering if he will ever play in the NHL. Then he goes to a completely stacked team, which has the puck in the offensive zone for most of the game, with a superb defensive partner in John Carlson, and all of a sudden he becomes the messiah on the back end.

I'm not sure what I think of that. I think MDZ should earn his spot...but more than that, as a kid not eligible to be sent down to Hartford (i believe he has to stay with the big club all year if he makes it out of camp right?) we need to be extra extra careful. Many kids wilt under the long strain of an 82 game NHL season. Many kids play great in the preseason only to come crashing back down to earth 20 games into the regular season. With a kid who isnt eligible to go to hartford i need to be 110% positive that he can stick with the big club.

And with Sanguinetti, Sauer, Gilroy and Potter all right there with him, all with options, 1 of whom has looked great as a Pro player, and one of whom has looked pretty good and was unjustly sent back down, it leads me to believe that MDZ should not make this team next season.

I think its unrealistic, and I think the same people who are all gung ho about keeping him, are going to crucify him when he gets exposed in the defensive zone halfway through the season, and becomes a chronic problem back there because he hasn't learned the pro game, and we have no choice but to play him.

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some interesting mdz tidbits

he was the youngest dman to ever play in the ohl allstar game when he played as a 16 yr old in 2007.


he was the 2nd overall pick in the 06 ohl priority draft. 2nd only to steven stamkos- who went 1st overall in 2008 nhl draft.

he participated in the annual CHL Top Prospects Game, where he won the shooting accuracy skills event by going 4-for-4.

Kyle Woodlief's Red Line Report scouting publication compares Del Zotto to Rangers defenseman Michal Rozsival at the same stage of his career and projects him as a power-play quarterback specialist. The publication's staff writes that Del Zotto is a "tremendously instinctive offensive force who sees the ice beautifully, shows great touch on passes and can really run a power play with superb puck movement skills."

Generals GM Brad Selwood takes his praise even further, giving him high praise in this year's NHL draft preview guide.

"He is just poised way beyond his years. He fit right in from Day 1," said Selwood, a former NHL player. "Last year when we first saw him, even in the exhibition games, you'd think he was 20-years-old. You'd have to rub your eyes and say; 'Wow, who is that kid?' He's so poised and so good with the puck ... He loves to pass the puck, and he's very good at it. Everything's hard and crisp and on the stick."


hes 6'0 and 210 lbs. thats solid even stocky. the kid is built.

i would say hes going to be a ranger this fall. just a hunch, but hes the real deal.

I don't know if hes 210 anymore because he has admitted to cutting down on his weight (or maybe he cut down to 210, I don't know) to improve on his speed.

That said, the biggest knocks on him were conditioning (which won't be an issue with Tortorella at the helm) and your usual focus/desire issues that come with kids who are mega talented and end up falling for some reason, which was some what quelled with his performance down the stretch and in the playoffs for London. Dudes got a bit of an edge to his game too which will be more than welcomed on our blue line.

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Hopefully he makes the team out of camp. I was much more impressed with him than Sangs.
Im not. Sanguinetti was an All Star at the AHL level as a rookie, put up great numbers in the AHL, and is more of a natural goal scorer than Del Zotto.

People just want to hype whatever is new and fancy.

Sanguinetti is going to be a stud for us, hes doing the right thing and working more on his defensive game, he also had a lot more to lose than MDZ at the camp, and his nervousness showed. MDZ was just playing to have fun, you could see it in his game and his risk taking, Sangs was trying not to get burned. 2 different approaches.

Frankly id rate Del Zotto and Sanguinetti about equal, with more of a lean towards Sanguinetti than Del Zotto. Look at Sanguinettis numbers in juniors and compare them to MDZ...they are remarkably similar, especially when you factor in that MDZ has played with John Tavares basically his entire career. Then you look at the fact that most of MDZ's numbers are assists, and it leads you to wonder how many of those points are just MDZ passing the puck out of his zone to JT, and JT going end to end and doing his thing.

Sanguinetti has been a goal scorer AND a play maker, to me that makes his numbers more impressive.

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If MDZ has the same kinda camp that he had last year he will make this team. I thought he should have made the team last year. His composure really jumped out at me during last years camp. Especially for someone his age.


As for the Staal issue it is actually quite entertaining reading what went on in this thread. Didn't Staal win the Kaminsky trophy his last year in junior? Which would mean he was the OHL's Most Outstanding Defenceman for the regular season?

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I think he'll be okay.
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Im not. Sanguinetti was an All Star at the AHL level as a rookie, put up great numbers in the AHL, and is more of a natural goal scorer than Del Zotto.

People just want to hype whatever is new and fancy.

Sanguinetti is going to be a stud for us, hes doing the right thing and working more on his defensive game, he also had a lot more to lose than MDZ at the camp, and his nervousness showed. MDZ was just playing to have fun, you could see it in his game and his risk taking, Sangs was trying not to get burned. 2 different approaches.

Frankly id rate Del Zotto and Sanguinetti about equal, with more of a lean towards Sanguinetti than Del Zotto. Look at Sanguinettis numbers in juniors and compare them to MDZ...they are remarkably similar, especially when you factor in that MDZ has played with John Tavares basically his entire career. Then you look at the fact that most of MDZ's numbers are assists, and it leads you to wonder how many of those points are just MDZ passing the puck out of his zone to JT, and JT going end to end and doing his thing.

Sanguinetti has been a goal scorer AND a play maker, to me that makes his numbers more impressive.
You forgot to factor in that Bobby Sangs played with Bobby Ryan and then with Cody Hodgson during his junior days.

I think you maybe right about Sangs being more of a natural goalscorer, but Del Zotto seems to even that out with his much more decisive defensive game.

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It's hard not to be optimistic with the young Dmen coming up to team with the couple on the team now

Staal
Girardi
Gilroy
DelZotto
Sanguinetti
Sauer
Kundratek

I would think he spends the year in the OHL for a strong London team but no rush

I really do think things will shape like this after all is said and done

Redden
Trade for Rozy
Staal
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