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05-27-2009, 02:43 PM
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Give your head a shake JA. There is no mention of the 10th going back to Toronto.
Seriously, eh? He's acting like he has a say in anything Oilers related and is hell-bent on making someone else feel like an idiot for their proposal. Maybe simmer down and actually read what you are responding to? Minor suggestion.

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05-27-2009, 02:51 PM
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probably ask for Sam Gagner.
That would just be a step backwards, your not giving up the future for a highend prospect that may not turn out like Gagner already has.

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05-27-2009, 02:54 PM
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What about Penner? He's a lot better than he played in Edmonton. Maybe Penner to the thrashers to move up.
A guy coming off a bad year with a big long contract isn't what teams are looking for to move up in a draft. They want value not a salary dump

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Well, I am one of those guys that believes that Penner will blossom under Quinna he might actually live up to his contract

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05-27-2009, 04:19 PM
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What if Waddell offers Atlanta's First AND Lehtonen or Pavelec (aha!).

Or we can give you Little and the First and we take Hemsky and a second.

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05-27-2009, 04:39 PM
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To Toronto:

10th overall
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:

7th overall
Nikolai Kulemin

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05-27-2009, 04:48 PM
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Who do you think the Oilers are going to go after, if they acquire a top 7 pick?

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05-27-2009, 05:24 PM
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I don't think anyone trades out of the top 7. Too much talent. It will take a gross overpayment.

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05-27-2009, 05:46 PM
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If you were ATL - what would be acceptable? I thought that Gagne made sense from ATL's perspective because they would have a scoring line player who was more ready to immediately contribute than a 18 YO kid.

If I'm ATL, there's no way that I'm moving from 4 to 10 for Cogliano (or equivelant roster player) or multiple later draft picks.
So Edmonton trades a blue chip 19 year old kid with 2 NHL seasons under his belt and 10th overall for 4th overall. From the few moves that Tambellini has done, I cannot see him even contemplating this deal. The drop off after the top 2 is huge, and we'd be lucky to have drafted the same calibre of player as Gagner 3rd>

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To Toronto:

10th overall
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:

7th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
You wish.

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Who do you think the Oilers are going to go after, if they acquire a top 7 pick?
I can only think of Jared Cowan.

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05-27-2009, 06:04 PM
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I was a big fan of moving up.

However as we get closer to the draft, the line that separates that 2nd & 3rd tier of players continues to blur & blur.

Originally it was

Tavares
Hedman
Duchene
-----2-----
Kane
Schenn
Paajarvi
Cowen

Now its kinda turned into

-----2-----
Kane
Schenn
Paajarvi
-----3-----
Cowen
Kulikov
Schroeder
Ekman-Larsson
Moore

All those players imo could go anywhere in the 4-10 range.

I just don't see a player after 3 where I go OMG MUST HAVE! They would all be nice additions, but would they be worth the cost?

The more I think about it, the more I think it won't be. I could see a couple odd picks that would cause a player to drop down, it happens every year, and the Oilers are in a good position to snipe said player.

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05-27-2009, 06:21 PM
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I was a big fan of moving up.

However as we get closer to the draft, the line that separates that 2nd & 3rd tier of players continues to blur & blur.

Originally it was

Tavares
Hedman
Duchene
-----2-----
Kane
Schenn
Paajarvi
Cowen

Now its kinda turned into

-----2-----
Kane
Schenn
Paajarvi
-----3-----
Cowen
Kulikov
Schroeder
Ekman-Larsson
Moore

All those players imo could go anywhere in the 4-10 range.

I just don't see a player after 3 where I go OMG MUST HAVE! They would all be nice additions, but would they be worth the cost?

The more I think about it, the more I think it won't be. I could see a couple odd picks that would cause a player to drop down, it happens every year, and the Oilers are in a good position to snipe said player.
I think this is a case where an oiler fan is trying to make himself feel like there isn't as big a talent drop off. Remember that Jared Cowen would problably be the consensus #1 if he didn't get hurt (the way we've seen Tavares and Hedman's stock fall this year). Factor in the legitamite franchise potential in the other 3 forwards and you've got a very solid top 7.... everyone outside of the top 7 starts to have pretty major flaws in their games.

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05-27-2009, 06:28 PM
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To Toronto:

10th overall
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:

7th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
Yeah, a 23 year old who barely covered 30 points in his rookie year for a 19 year old kid that almost hit 50 in his.

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05-27-2009, 06:47 PM
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What if Waddell offers Atlanta's First AND Lehtonen or Pavelec (aha!).

Or we can give you Little and the First and we take Hemsky and a second.
This is actually something the Oilers may have to do if it was offered.
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To Toronto:

10th overall
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:

7th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
No F-ing way Oilers do this

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05-27-2009, 07:03 PM
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I think this is a case where an oiler fan is trying to make himself feel like there isn't as big a talent drop off. Remember that Jared Cowen would problably be the consensus #1 if he didn't get hurt (the way we've seen Tavares and Hedman's stock fall this year). Factor in the legitamite franchise potential in the other 3 forwards and you've got a very solid top 7.... everyone outside of the top 7 starts to have pretty major flaws in their games.
I think this is a case of a Leafs fan trying to pump up the value for a trade that will never happen. Probably be the consensus that pigs can fly too

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05-27-2009, 07:09 PM
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Some people need to remember that Gagner is only two years removed from being a 6th overall pick himself, and while he hasn't lit up the league by no means has he disappointed, like a Gilbert Brule. There's no way he gets 'packaged' in a deal for a pick, if anything it would be a 1 for 1 deal but NHL teams don't make those kinds of deals.

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05-27-2009, 07:18 PM
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Honestly though, I would do it. Gagner for the fourth overall pick......


Draft bigger we have so much small players.

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05-27-2009, 07:31 PM
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the oilers have surplus in two areas - puck moving dmen and small forwards. Just about everyone in those groups not named Hemsky could be dealt for the 4th overall pick.

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Yeah no. Gagner isn't moving for a pick.
I guess this trade isn't happening then. Who do you expect to be trading for 4th overall Horcoff + 1st? You have to give quality to get quality.

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bah, Burke aint moving down, he's gonna try and move up...
or worst case, pick at 7.

so Tambellini can aim at other GMs

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I would also consider trading Gagner if I could get the 3rd-5th overall pick.

I think if there was any chance to get another top 10 pick by trading some of our young roster players I would do that to deal with our numbers issue.

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I guess this trade isn't happening then. Who do you expect to be trading for 4th overall Horcoff + 1st? You have to give quality to get quality.
and I'm sure you think Demitra could fetch a second rounder.
It makes absolutely zero sense to trade a 19 year old sophmore to move up in the draft. Can anyone provide an example of this happening in the past?

To the original poster: Tambellini said all 29 GM's should be trying to move up draft. So this thread could be duplicated 28 more times.

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05-27-2009, 08:38 PM
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Some people need to remember that Gagner is only two years removed from being a 6th overall pick himself, and while he hasn't lit up the league by no means has he disappointed, like a Gilbert Brule. There's no way he gets 'packaged' in a deal for a pick, if anything it would be a 1 for 1 deal but NHL teams don't make those kinds of deals.
Agreed.

Why would Edmonton trade Gagner for a pick only to hope that pick can turn into a player who can turn into a Gagner.

Besides Tavares, does anybody in this draft have the ability to step in next year and score 50 points? Maybe but it is unlikely and I don't want to take the risk.

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05-27-2009, 08:55 PM
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MSP or Schenn would be nice.

Phoenix fans, what could Edmonton offer you for 6th? I know you need defence pretty badly. Is Gilbert someone you would be interested in? 1st/Gilbert/Chorney?
Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert and Grebeshkov are all too expensive. Smid, Peckham and Staios aren't what we are looking for. Petry and Chorney don't have the upside to justify the move. I really don't think there is a fit here. It doesn't look like our ownership issue will be resolved before the draft, so hypotheticals about being able to afford a guy like Gilbert before the time comes, are pretty much out the window, as well.

Also, simply lumping together a bunch of bad fits and spare parts isn't going to get the deal done either. We have a plethora of unproven prospects and bottom line/pairing players with "upside". That's not what we are going to be looking for. So no please no Pouliot, Young, Dubnyk and a third type proposals.

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What if Waddell offers Atlanta's First AND Lehtonen or Pavelec (aha!).

Or we can give you Little and the First and we take Hemsky and a second.
Man, I don't know what I'd do, it would be very tempting. The only thing I know for sure is ATL would instantly become my 2nd favorite team because the thought of Hemmer lining up opposite of Kovalchuk is filthy disgusting, you could throw anyone down the middle and it would be one of the best lines in the league.

In regard to the original TBay asking price I ask would this deal be that much different...

To TB: Gilbert, Cogliano, O'Sullivan, 10th overall

To EDM:Halpern, 2nd overall

If ATL's pick were up for grabs, I'd probably go

To ATL: Smid, Nilsson, 10th overall, 2nd rder

To EDM:4th overall

Might not be what ATL is looking for depending on their view of Nilsson, but as far as pure skill he's our 2nd best player, just lacks motivation. Maybe worth an experiment playing on the right side of Kovalchuk, boom or bust for sure.

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