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05-27-2009, 05:12 PM
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It will only happen if another defender gets moved. Toronto as too much defencemen as it is.
There's a difference between quantity and quality. Toronto has the quantity part down, but not the quality.

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05-27-2009, 05:54 PM
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There's a difference between quantity and quality. Toronto has the quantity part down, but not the quality.
Pretty sure he knows that.
I think he means that if the leafs can't trade their big guys on defence then it's pretty much useless to sign Ohlund. I personally wouldn't want him on Toronto as I was not impressed with him. I wouldn't like him to mentor Schenn either lol.

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05-27-2009, 05:56 PM
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is it possible for toronto to over pay for more defencemen?????
kaberle
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paying a lot of money for mediocre talent there.....

I know people will say kaberle is a good deal and he does put up decent points but he is in his 30s and played in 70 playoff games in over 10 years.....

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is it possible for toronto to over pay for more defencemen?????
kaberle
kubina
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paying a lot of money for mediocre talent there.....

I know people will say kaberle is a good deal and he does put up decent points but he is in his 30s and played in 70 playoff games in over 10 years.....
what does that have to do with whether a dman is overpaid or not?

he's been on some crappy teams for a lot of those years... that might explain his 70 games through that time - which isn't even that bad, considering he's been on the Leafs his whole career.

There's no way anyone can argue that Kaberle is overpaid... his contract is solid for a player of his caliber... if anything his contract actually improves his overall value as an asset.

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05-27-2009, 06:16 PM
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is it possible for toronto to over pay for more defencemen?????
kaberle
kubina
finger
paying a lot of money for mediocre talent there.....

I know people will say kaberle is a good deal and he does put up decent points but he is in his 30s and played in 70 playoff games in over 10 years.....
I don't even think it's that bad.
Kaberle is having a off year, Kubina put up decent numbers and finger made a case for what he's worth on the defensive side.
Besides I still think Toronto doesn't overpay as much as the Flames, Oilers and Rangers.

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Kaberle is having a off year
Pretty sure his year is over

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05-27-2009, 07:06 PM
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Perhaps the perfect mentor for Hedman in TB.

Öhlund wants a new challenge???????....Ohlund say Hello to The New York Islanders and your new defensive partner Vic Hedman!

I have been saying for some Time on the Isles board That Ohlund would be a perfect mentor for Hedman as well

Well we will see at the draft what shakes out with Hedman.....Then UFA market in July......But what could be more of a Challenge then The Ice Losers? LOL

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05-27-2009, 07:14 PM
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Not a surprise and I don't think Vancouver wanted him back.

He'd be a great pickup for a young team who needed a veteran to be a steady presence on the team. He's no longer a top 3 defenseman on a good team IMO and I think he'd have huge problems with the speed in the east.

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05-27-2009, 07:46 PM
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Alot of Ohlund fans here. But you will be very dissapointed once signing him

Ohlund has become really slow and that is a very major concern. He gets beat easily. Ohlund is not the old ohlund.

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Pretty sure his year is over
Oh no I didn't use past tense, call the police.

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I think he will get Roszival-type money and contract.

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Alot of Ohlund fans here. But you will be very dissapointed once signing him

Ohlund has become really slow and that is a very major concern. He gets beat easily. Ohlund is not the old ohlund.
Wee bit of an overstatement, no? You're describing a #6-7 guy, while Ohlund is still very capable in a second-pairing role. Having said that, he'll most likely be overpaid come July 1.

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05-27-2009, 11:28 PM
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Perhaps Dallas' replacement for Norstrom?

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05-27-2009, 11:31 PM
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He is just the kind of guy that Carolina should be looking at to come in and anchor that group they have.

Dont see it happening though.
We could use a lot of guys but unfortunately, unless we let Ruutu, Babchuk and Cole go, we don't have that kind of money. Our internal salary cap might rise next season, but I expect the Canes to go for guys like Oduya, who are more cap friendly.

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05-28-2009, 12:36 AM
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Wee bit of an overstatement, no? You're describing a #6-7 guy, while Ohlund is still very capable in a second-pairing role. Having said that, he'll most likely be overpaid come July 1.
The Ohlund I watched in the playoffs was a 3rd pairing guy.

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05-28-2009, 12:51 AM
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The Ohlund I watched in the playoffs was a 3rd pairing guy.
So...a 10 game sample size?

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05-28-2009, 01:34 AM
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Ohlund was lit up on the goal Pat Kane scored, but other then that he wasn't nearly as bad as many make him out to be. He's still a fairly solid top 4 blueliner, the problem for the Canucks though is that he isn't mobile enough and with Salo and Mitchell not being the most fleet of foot, and Bieksa too for that matter really, there really isn't a spot for him on this team anymore a the price he'll likely command. He can still be an asset to many teams out there, he just really doesn't fill a role on the Canucks at this point, they need to replace him with a more mobile, puck mover.

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05-28-2009, 01:46 AM
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And just a further comment on the "he was a third pairing guy in the playoffs," I refer to this excellent analysis by MS on the Canucks board:

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He *was* a stud in these playoffs. Go check the numbers and count the number of key goals he was on for relative to the icetime he logged.

Honestly, the idiocy in this thread makes my head hurt. It's like everyone has turned into and addle-brained Pauser.

If someone says, 'well, he's losing his footspeed a bit and committing long-term could burn us if he declines further', sure, that's a reasonable viewpoint. But to say he stunk in these playoffs is pure, unadulterated rubbish from people who clearly don't watch the games beyond obvious plays.

He looked terrible on *one* goal. As several players did in this series. It happens. Other than that, he was one of our best players.

Again, of the 17 most important Chicago goals in this series, he was on for one of them. And that was on a 5-on-3.

While the rest of the team crumbled in the 2nd/3rd periods of this series, Ohlund was logging 24 minutes/game and the Hawks simply weren't scoring goals when he was on the ice in key situations. The few goals he was on for were early in games or times when it really didn't matter.

He played 22-23 minutes/game for this club this season and was a +14. In a UFA market where Jeff Finger gets $4 million, are people really trying to claim that Ohlund is worth $2.5 million, whether we keep him or not?
Does that honestly sound like a #6-7 guy?

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05-28-2009, 01:56 AM
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So...a 10 game sample size?
He was slow but it wasnt as much of a factor in the regular season, in the playoffs other teams played off his lack of speed.

I stand by my assertion, Ohlund has really lost any speed he had. The vision loss in his right eye really became a problem with his reaction time decreasing and slowness afoot.

Chicago did a great job of magnifying this.

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And just a further comment on the "he was a third pairing guy in the playoffs," I refer to this excellent analysis by MS on the Canucks board:



Does that honestly sound like a #6-7 guy?
Say what you say, claim what you claim, in my opinion Ohlund has lost allot over the past year. I would love to see him retire as a Canuck, he has been a great player, but its time for him to move on.

Someone earlier made a great comment, some teams fans will be excited to sign him this summer, then in 6 or 8 months they will realize he is being overpaid and then will turn on him. It will be sad to see.

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Ohlund was lit up on the goal Pat Kane scored, but other then that he wasn't nearly as bad as many make him out to be. He's still a fairly solid top 4 blueliner, the problem for the Canucks though is that he isn't mobile enough and with Salo and Mitchell not being the most fleet of foot, and Bieksa too for that matter really, there really isn't a spot for him on this team anymore a the price he'll likely command. He can still be an asset to many teams out there, he just really doesn't fill a role on the Canucks at this point, they need to replace him with a more mobile, puck mover.
After being treated to Marek Malik during last season's defensive carousel here in Tampa, Ohlund (declining play or not) could not possibly make the Lightning's defense any worse. I'm sure the Lightning could do worse in selecting a mentor.

Would Ohlund even consider the challenge of making Hockeywood Bay competitive? If he wants to realistically compete for a Cup in the next two seasons, probably not. But if he wants to play an integral role in the Lightning's return to respectability, Lightning brass might be willing to negotiate a solid, short-term, bonus-laden deal. Say 2 years @ $3 million per plus bonuses.

In other years, I'd be more confident he'd find a better deal and he very well might, but any pricier and the Lightning would have to look elsewhere.


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Ohlund would be a great fit for the Flyers if they can move some salary. Do Canuck fans think he will command less than say 4 million per year?

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Ohlund would be a great fit for the Flyers if they can move some salary. Do Canuck fans think he will command less than say 4 million per year?
I think that's about fair for Ohlund... but then again, I'm not throwing him under a bus like some other fans have... I agree with MS's feedback on him, he was probably the team's best defender in the playoffs (as he always has been for this franchise), all things considered, and aside for the one Kane play, didn't look bad at all in the playoffs... and keep in mind that one bad play can happen to anyone (ie. Keith, who's a great dman, looking like a pylon on Kesler's goal late in the season).

Having said that, I think some team will throw big money at him... one thing that fans usually ignore in their valuations of a player is experience, and there are plenty of teams that have thrown money at players because of the experience they bring...

I think that Ohlund can get a $5mill/yr offer from some team... it'll be overpayment for him, and I don't doubt that fans will eventually turn on him at that salary, but I think on the open market, considering his reputation overall, he'll get that kind of deal.

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