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05-30-2009, 09:51 AM
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Heatley to Colorado

Would Colorado be interested in Heatley for Wolski, Kevin Shattenkirk, and the 3rd overall? Looking at that it may be way too much value being given up for Colorado and I may be overrating Heatley, but I thought that the Avs could really use a new superstar now that Sakic is on the decline, and many people seem to be quick to forget that Heatley put up two back-to-back 50 goal seasons not to long ago. Anyways I just want to get some feed back on what the values would have to be.
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05-30-2009, 09:54 AM
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I would think Col would rather have Wolski, Shattenkirk, and Duchenne than one 28 year old.

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Heatley is coming to LA.. Bryan Murray will call his brother pretty soon and congratulate him on acquiring one of the top snipers in the game today..

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I would think Col would rather have Wolski, Shattenkirk, and Duchenne than one 28 year old.
Exactly. Colorado has high hopes for all of those three players.

The hope is that Duchene will take over for Sakic in a few years as the top center and have Stastny on the second line. Shattenkirk is the first real defensive prospect that the Avalanche has drafted in the last few years. There are high hopes for him in the organization.

The Avs still haven't given up on Wolski, and think he can become a top line talent if needed. However with him I could see him being dealt for a winger or goalie if the right deal comes along.

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Not even close. I wouldn't trade the pick alone for Heatley. The Avs aren't in a position where they need a push to be over the top, they pretty much need a complete rebuild. Trading three key pieces, including their top defensive prospect and a draft pick that could end up being as good or better than Heatley in a few years would just be detrimental to the franchise.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if PL tried something like this and then hides by hiring someone else to take the fall.

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05-30-2009, 10:29 AM
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Heatley has value ... perhaps not this much, but this wouldn't make sense from an Avs POV as he wouldn't be the missing piece that turns them from a solid team into a serious Stanley Cup contender. 10 years ago, I could see a trade along these lines going down. In fact, I think we did when the Avs got Theo Fleury.

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Not even close. I wouldn't trade the pick alone for Heatley. The Avs aren't in a position where they need a push to be over the top, they pretty much need a complete rebuild. Trading three key pieces, including their top defensive prospect and a draft pick that could end up being as good or better than Heatley in a few years would just be detrimental to the franchise.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if PL tried something like this and then hides by hiring someone else to take the fall.

The NHL entry draft has been going on for just over 40 years now, leaving you with 40+ examples of 3rd overall drafted players to choose from.

Name 5 that are/were better than Heatley.

You might want to recalculate your odds of getting a player "as good or better than Heatley".

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Heatley is coming to LA.. Bryan Murray will call his brother pretty soon and congratulate him on acquiring one of the top snipers in the game today..
You want every guy don't you!!!??!?!

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The NHL entry draft has been going on for just over 40 years now, leaving you with 40+ examples of 3rd overall drafted players to choose from.

Name 5 that are/were better than Heatley.

You might want to recalculate your odds of getting a player "as good or better than Heatley".
Well, I can understand where you're coming from as a Sens fan, but there have been some very good 3rd overall picks including Toews, Gaborik, H. Sedin, Bouwmeester, Barker, Niedermayer, and so forth. Not all forwards but fairly good talents.

Moreover his argument is a reasonable one, though not necessarily validating whether the Avs would/wouldn't accept a trade for Heatley with just the 3rd overall if it was on the hypothetical table: Duchene would be a much lower initial cost, has some years away from UFA status (which doesn't rule out RFA offer sheets / raises, etc.), and could be franchise caliber. Let's face it, rookies make people excited. He's super talented, so hopefully he can rise up to his potential instead of fizzling out.

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Not even close. I wouldn't trade the pick alone for Heatley. The Avs aren't in a position where they need a push to be over the top, they pretty much need a complete rebuild. Trading three key pieces, including their top defensive prospect and a draft pick that could end up being as good or better than Heatley in a few years would just be detrimental to the franchise.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if PL tried something like this and then hides by hiring someone else to take the fall.
The guy in charge doesn't seem someone like that will hold for a rebuild. He was visibly upset in the play of this season, and looked like it won't happen again.

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05-30-2009, 11:11 AM
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Heatley is coming to LA.. Bryan Murray will call his brother pretty soon and congratulate him on acquiring one of the top snipers in the game today..
What would a possible trade be? I know the Sens did have a trade lined up for Heatley earlier this year and the belief was it was LAK but he wasn't approached with it. So let s say he would accept it, what would the value be from the Kings end?


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Well, I can understand where you're coming from as a Sens fan, but there have been some very good 3rd overall picks including Toews, Gaborik, H. Sedin, Bouwmeester, Barker, Niedermayer, and so forth. Not all forwards but fairly good talents.
This isn't as a Sens fan... this is as a fan who has probably been to hockeydb well over 200 times specifically looking at drafts and I'm just absolutely floored by how much prospects/draft picks are overrated at this site.

If I wanted to respond to Aerolanche in a similar fashion, I could have said that 3rd overall player will be bust whose out of hockey in 10 years... and history says that I'd probably have more of a chance of being right than him saying he'll be better than Heatley.

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The guy in charge doesn't seem someone like that will hold for a rebuild. He was visibly upset in the play of this season, and looked like it won't happen again.
Except we are in a salary cap era (one of the reasons the "guy in charge" stepped down) and the Avs cannot afford to take on Heatley's salary with so much money tied into other mediocre players. Heatley isn't the key to turning the Avs around. Unless it's for a franchise goaltender, trading a high pick, solid top six forward and your best defensive prospect isn't a smart move for a rebuilding team.

Even the owner came out and said the team is in need of some rebuilding.

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Would Colorado be interested in Heatley for Wolski, Kevin Shattenkirk, and the 3rd overall? Looking at that it may be way too much value being given up for Colorado and I may be overrating Heatley, but I thought that the Avs could really use a new superstar now that Sakic is on the decline, and many people seem to be quick to forget that Heatley put up two back-to-back 50 goal seasons not to long ago. Anyways I just want to get some feed back on what the values would have to be.
Thanks to those who respond.
I see Heatley's in this trade. HE'S NOT LEAVING OTTAWA!

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why would he WANT to go play for the Avs is my question? so he can waste his prime on a rebuilding team? atleast Ottawa has a chance to win soon, if make the right moves.

The avs are pretty much starting to build again around Stastny

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This isn't as a Sens fan... this is as a fan who has probably been to hockeydb well over 200 times specifically looking at drafts and I'm just absolutely floored by how much prospects/draft picks are overrated at this site.

If I wanted to respond to Aerolanche in a similar fashion, I could have said that 3rd overall player will be bust whose out of hockey in 10 years... and history says that I'd probably have more of a chance of being right than him saying he'll be better than Heatley.
Aerolanche said the possibility of being as good or better as. There was the risk implicitly acknowledged. He might be seen as THE franchise player, where there might be dissent with Heatley fulfilling the role. Will he better? Of course nobody knows now; otherwise the stock market wouldn't have so many losers. That's with any young player.

But maybe it's a silly point to discuss. Why would Ottawa want to trade Heatley? Avs would want an overpayment for the 3rd overall, but if the former is not happening, it's pointless to argue whether the Avs would "have" to accept a Heatley for 3rd overall trade or not.

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I'll tell ya right now that I would not be surprised to see Tampa draft Duchesne second and then trade Vinny for 2 young defenseman that can step in and play now in the NHL. Or possibly to a team like Boston for package of Rask, Bergeron and a 1st rounder.

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What's so silly about that? We're rebuilding. Frankly, two or all three components could be a major part of the process.

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I would think Col would rather have Wolski, Shattenkirk, and Duchenne than one 28 year old.
I don't know why you're shaking your head. Bias presumably.

Colorado gets nailed in that deal given it's circumstances. Duchene is looking like being a no.1 centre, Shattenkirk shows all the tools to be a 1/2 pairing blueliner and Wolski is at worst a top 6 forward but has the potential to be better.

Heatley is great now, no doubt. But why would Colorado need him now? They stink and will do for a few more seasons, I fear.

When they have bounced back which I am sure they will, you revisit this trade in 3/4 years time and I'm pretty sure it will look very lopsided in favour of the Sens. Remember, you have to think about more than just who wins it today to evaluate a trade.

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http://sensbuzz.blogspot.com/2009/05...d-in-dany.html

here is asomeone stating a rumour about a Avs- Sens deal

but the deal he proposes is quite bad for the Sens IMO

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This trade would essentially doom the avalanche for the next 5 yrs... from the perspective of a rebuilding team, the op's proposal is absurd. At the very least, Shatternick should be removed because the Avs don't have anything that can replace and aren't getting anything that can replace him. His value is also magnified by the fact that we need to get youth (cheap) into the defensive group because of the amount of absurd veteran contracts we currently have. Mix that w/ the amount of money that would be tied up between smyth, stastny, hejduk, and heatley... we need to sign a legit number one goalie and to do that we need cap space. Whether Pierre okay's this or not, as a proposal, I def. think the Avs say no to Heatley for that.

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here is asomeone stating a rumour about a Avs- Sens deal

but the deal he proposes is quite bad for the Sens IMO
Awful, I agree.

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Colorado says no more for salary reasons then anything else.

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If Pierre "Senile Dementia" Lacroix screws up this rebuild his legacy with the Avs will be known for his autocratic reign of stupid staff and player movements. He will have been responsible for the Avs having a terrible GM (who put us in cap hell), the Avs having one of the worst coaching staffs in the league, and a slew of terrible player moves (including already trading Ballard, Gilbert and Morris away for virtually nothing, save for a really lucky selection in Paul Stastny.)

This is why most Avs fans are going to be on the edge of our seats, our current GM is senile and all the candidates left are his lackies. We are screwed.

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Would Colorado be interested in Heatley for Wolski, Kevin Shattenkirk, and the 3rd overall? Looking at that it may be way too much value being given up for Colorado and I may be overrating Heatley, but I thought that the Avs could really use a new superstar now that Sakic is on the decline, and many people seem to be quick to forget that Heatley put up two back-to-back 50 goal seasons not to long ago. Anyways I just want to get some feed back on what the values would have to be.
Thanks to those who respond.
**** no. I wouldn't be interested in Heatley at all unless it was straight up for Wolski.

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