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1st round - 7th overall (TOR)
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Why do we have to stop trying for the playoffs in order to draft and develop well? It's possible to build while drafting. The killer the past few years has been trying to build a team with little impact youth and selling off assets to fill holes. If we plug our holes for free, draft well and make smart trades, we should be in a great position moving forward. You don't want to rely on losing to win, you'll never be a strong franchise if that is the case and you'll always fall to teams who lucked out and tanked in stronger years.

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Why do we have to stop trying for the playoffs in order to draft and develop well? It's possible to build while drafting. The killer the past few years has been trying to build a team with little impact youth and selling off assets to fill holes. If we plug our holes for free, draft well and make smart trades, we should be in a great position moving forward. You don't want to rely on losing to win, you'll never be a strong franchise if that is the case and you'll always fall to teams who lucked out and tanked in stronger years.
If we're trying to compete for playoffs, and we're nearly there the temptation is too great to deal picks to get some help which goes against what we're trying to do.

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every team tries for the playoffs Eazy, my point is about FA signing only. how are we supposed to develop our own talent when we don't give them opportunities? that's what we were doing in the past. building a team through our check book.

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they are talking about Duchene right now on TSN.

sigh....

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Leafs site has a "DraftCentral" thing up.

First player profile up is Brayden Schenn..
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/draft09/br...nn_profile.htm

Article on Hedman and how he has nothing to prove at the Combine.
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?...ticleid=423960

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i would like to see Burke try to aquire 2 picks in the top 15 spots.then draft 2 high end bluliners with those picks.

pick any two of Hedman,Cowan or Moore.

this seems to be a good starting point for Burke's 1st draft with the Leafs.then maybe draft a goalie with 1 of the 2nd round picks.

what do ya think ?

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I really hope Burke can manage a trade that results in us ending up with Matt Duchene. The kid just screams franchise talent! A two-way forward, with blazing speed as well as being rated the best puck handler and passer in the OHL by coaches. The kid has great lower body strength that is almost Crosby-esque. For people who are reading this, yes I did watch the TSN feature on Duchene.

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i would like to see Burke try to aquire 2 picks in the top 15 spots.then draft 2 high end bluliners with those picks.

pick any two of Hedman,Cowan or Moore.

this seems to be a good starting point for Burke's 1st draft with the Leafs.then maybe draft a goalie with 1 of the 2nd round picks.

what do ya think ?
That would result in a pretty dominant defensive core for years to come. We would just have to focus on drafting a ton of forwards in the 2010 draft.

Victor Hedman - Luke Schenn
Anton Stralman - Jared Cowen
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Its looking like we will be stuck with Cowen at 7. We gotta move up. If we don't leave the draft without one of Tavares, Duchene, Kane, Schenn or MSP, I'd say its a fail.

The Deverauxs and Blakes of the world will make sure we don't tank low enough next year, we will not be in position to draft Taylor Hall, this will be our last chance to draft a forward this high. We should be drafting 10-15 next year, so now or never.

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I really hope Burke can manage a trade that results in us ending up with Matt Duchene. The kid just screams franchise talent! A two-way forward, with blazing speed as well as being rated the best puck handler and passer in the OHL by coaches. The kid has great lower body strength that is almost Crosby-esque. For people who are reading this, yes I did watch the TSN feature on Duchene.
that's pretty much word for word. but man it sounds good to me!

"I would like to announce a trade. The Colarado Avalanche trade the 3rd overall selection to the Toronto Maple Leafs."

Burke: "The Toronto Maple Leafs proudly select, from the Brampton Battalion of the Ontario Hockey League....Matt Duchene."

I actually had this dream a week ago. This would make my year!!

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that's pretty much word for word. but man it sounds good to me!

"I would like to announce a trade. The Colarado Avalanche trade the 3rd overall selection to the Toronto Maple Leafs."

Burke: "The Toronto Maple Leafs proudly select, from the Brampton Battalion of the Ontario Hockey League....Matt Duchene."

I actually had this dream a week ago. This would make my year!!
I had a similar dream last night man, plus as the Coyotes were moving to Hamilton they traded Turris to us for Jiri Tlusty + Joel Champagne + 2nd. I had my dream 1-2 centre punch of Duchene - Turris.

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Uploading that Duchene Feature to Youtube right now (among others)

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If we're trying to compete for playoffs, and we're nearly there the temptation is too great to deal picks to get some help which goes against what we're trying to do.
I don't buy it. For a number of reasons. If we're that vulnerable for bad decisions, we need better management. The temptation too great for Burke? Remember when everyone wanted Perry at the deadline for a short term upgrade? Burke told'em where to go. Same with Bobby Ryan. Doesn't seem the "temptation" will be too great.
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every team tries for the playoffs Eazy, my point is about FA signing only. how are we supposed to develop our own talent when we don't give them opportunities? that's what we were doing in the past. building a team through our check book.
How do you develop talent without giving them room to grow? There's this myth that every prospect will need to be the face of the team to grow and it isn't true. Give'em players to play with, fit'em in the right role and go from there. UFAs can help their development instead of hindering it. Think a prospect like Tlusty would be better off playing top line with Stajan and Poni or the Sedins? Think Stalberg would rather play with Dido or Gaborik? You can use these veterans to break in the younger players and assist them in developing. It's how the wings developed Datsyuk and Zetterberg. They played with veterans who could help them. Detroit eased them into the spotlight and created a situation where they could succeed. Gaving them enough time to grow as players, but didn't put the pressure on them too early. Signing players doesn't mean development will stop, you can actually use it to help development instead of hinder it.


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every team tries for the playoffs Eazy, my point is about FA signing only. how are we supposed to develop our own talent when we don't give them opportunities? that's what we were doing in the past. building a team through our check book.
This doesn't make much sense, because most of our prospects don't deserve to play in the NHL. Rushing them into the league will just slow their development, and take away the development time needed to transition to the pro level. You have to remember these prospects are just kids and not all of them are ready to face the pressures of the media, fans, and management. On top of that, they have to overcome the pressures placed on themselves, and a lot of the times at such a young age they cannot and this causes them to contemplate retirement from the game. Burke needs to fill this team with quality players to play in the meantime while our prospects develop, and eventually they will be replaced by the younger kids.

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I don't buy it. For a number of reasons. If we're that vulnerable for bad decisions, we need better management. The temptation too great for Burke? Remember when everyone wanted Perry at the deadline for a short term upgrade? Burke told'em where to go. Same with Bobby Ryan. Doesn't seem the "temptation" will be too great.

How do you develop talent without giving them room to grow? There's this myth that every prospect will need to be the face of the team to grow and it isn't true. Give'em players to play with, fit'em in the right role and go from there. UFAs can help their development instead of hindering it. Think a prospect like Tlusty would be better off playing top line with Stajan and Poni or the Sedins? Think Stalberg would rather play with Dido or Gaborik? You can use these veterans to break in the younger players and assist them in developing. It's how the wings developed Datsyuk and Zetterberg. They played with veterans who could help them. Detroit eased them into the spotlight and created a situation where they could succeed. Gaving them enough time to grow as players, but didn't put the pressure on them too early. Signing players doesn't mean development will stop, you can actually use it to help development instead of hinder it.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

On a side note, I really wish I hadn't changed my name to the Swamp after watching two of the Devils' playoff games in Jersey. I did not realize that I couldn't change it for another year. Oh well, guess I'm stuck with it; hopefully the Leafs aren't saying that about the 7th overall pick once draft time comes around!

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How do you develop talent without giving them room to grow? There's this myth that every prospect will need to be the face of the team to grow and it isn't true. Give'em players to play with, fit'em in the right role and go from there. UFAs can help their development instead of hindering it. Think a prospect like Tlusty would be better off playing top line with Stajan and Poni or the Sedins? Think Stalberg would rather play with Dido or Gaborik? You can use these veterans to break in the younger players and assist them in developing. It's how the wings developed Datsyuk and Zetterberg. They played with veterans who could help them. Detroit eased them into the spotlight and created a situation where they could succeed. Gaving them enough time to grow as players, but didn't put the pressure on them too early. Signing players doesn't mean development will stop, you can actually use it to help development instead of hinder it.
Hmm? Do we want to challenge our young players to play up to the ability of Stajan or Gaborik?

This must be a trick question.

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I don't buy it. For a number of reasons. If we're that vulnerable for bad decisions, we need better management. The temptation too great for Burke? Remember when everyone wanted Perry at the deadline for a short term upgrade? Burke told'em where to go. Same with Bobby Ryan. Doesn't seem the "temptation" will be too great.

How do you develop talent without giving them room to grow? There's this myth that every prospect will need to be the face of the team to grow and it isn't true. Give'em players to play with, fit'em in the right role and go from there. UFAs can help their development instead of hindering it. Think a prospect like Tlusty would be better off playing top line with Stajan and Poni or the Sedins? Think Stalberg would rather play with Dido or Gaborik? You can use these veterans to break in the younger players and assist them in developing. It's how the wings developed Datsyuk and Zetterberg. They played with veterans who could help them. Detroit eased them into the spotlight and created a situation where they could succeed. Gaving them enough time to grow as players, but didn't put the pressure on them too early. Signing players doesn't mean development will stop, you can actually use it to help development instead of hinder it.
We don't need any more VETS via FA.

Everyone thinks we are a young team and lack vets in the line up. Well that could not be farther from the truth.
May starting his 19th season
Mayers,- 13th
Kubina,Dever -12th
Kabber,Blake -11th
Poni- 9th
Hag -8th

That 8 out of 22 roster spots with more then 7 years in the league.
How many vets does a supposed young developing team need ?

I'm not happy till we get a couple of top 3 picks or we luck out and snag a getz/perry, Carter/Richards type draft year.

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We don't need any more VETS via FA.

Everyone thinks we are a young team and lack vets in the line up. Well that could not be farther from the truth.
May starting his 19th season
Mayers,- 13th
Kubina,Dever -12th
Kabber,Blake -11th
Poni- 9th
Hag -8th

That 8 out of 22 roster spots with more then 7 years in the league.
How many vets does a supposed young developing team need ?

I'm not happy till we get a couple of top 3 picks or we luck out and snag a getz/perry, Carter/Richards type draft year.
First of all, May is a free agent that probably will not be re-signed by Burke unless he absolutely can not find anyone else to be his enforcer. Mayers has a high chance of being bought out after requesting a trade at last year's trade deadline. Burke is all but certain to trade one of the K's, as long as the right package is offered and Devereaux might not even make the team out of training camp this coming year. Poni was as good as gone in this year's trade deadline, until the Leafs were notified that the trade came in too late and thus could not be completed; he's likely to be dealt at the draft for picks again. So that leaves us with Haman, Blake, and one of the K's; not too much of a veteran presence on the team is there? Not many vets for a developing team, unless you want to fill the team with your AHL guys Stapleton, Williams, Tlusty, Boyce, Newbury, Deveaux, Rogers, Uotila, Hollweg, etc. Then what happens to the Marlies? Most of these players being rushed into the league will just screw up their development, since they'll only be playing 3rd or 4th line minutes. Burke is too competitive to have the Leafs ice a team that crappy and will find the players he needs to fill his prototypical team. And from most of the speculation, the players he's targeting are fairly young like Moen (27), Beauchemin (28), Cammalleri (26), Peters (29), Bouwmeester (25), Sedin Sisters (28) and Orr (28). Pahlsson is on the higher end (31), as well as Ohlund (32). Your statement of not being happy until you get a top 3 pick is ridiculous because it may never happen; you could finish bottom three and lose the lottery. Not to mention the fact that at 7th overall this year we could acquire a Richards-type player in Brayden Schenn. None of the Getz/Perry or Richards/Carter players you have mentioned were drafted in the top 3 either...

It's not the fact we lack "vets" in the line-up, it's the fact that Burke and fans want to at least see some entertaining hockey and a chance at the playoffs. He's not going to go out and sign all of Cammalleri, the Sedins, and Bouwmeester and speed up the rebuild to that extent; he's going to fill the team with quality players to help the team now and in the long run.


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We don't need any more VETS via FA.

Everyone thinks we are a young team and lack vets in the line up. Well that could not be farther from the truth.
May starting his 19th season
Mayers,- 13th
Kubina,Dever -12th
Kabber,Blake -11th
Poni- 9th
Hag -8th

That 8 out of 22 roster spots with more then 7 years in the league.
How many vets does a supposed young developing team need ?

I'm not happy till we get a couple of top 3 picks or we luck out and snag a getz/perry, Carter/Richards type draft year.
Two of your 8 are questionable for the line-up next season in May and Devereauxat, so right off the bat you're down to 6 out of 23. That's not many. Mayers is a grinder. We have plenty of room for youth if we were to add a few upper tier veterans. Also there's no reason we can't move many of the players you list and make room for more youth. You can't just toss in a boatload of youth, it has the potential to ruin them. You're better off surrounding some of your young players with veterans.

If we go into next season with a line-up like

Blake - Mitchell - Hagman
Kulemin - Grabovski - Poni
Tlusty - Stalberg - Bozak
Mayers - UFA - Hanson

It won't be getting the young players much more ice-time at all and we're icing a much weaker team with lesser talent around our younger players. It's not a great situation to grow what we have.

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Well your both speculating on future moves that have yet to happen.

There is as much chance that none of those trades happen or that dever or may are not resigned. So when things do change so will my opinion but for the time being 6 of those 8 vets are on the team and the other two could likely be resigned.

As for the getz/perry-Richards/Carter draft season, you missed my point. I was stating that i would not be satisfied until we had a fortunate draft year where we get a star players with later first round picks.

Well i think it's ridiculous for someone to think it's ridiculous for a fan to set high standards for it's teams long term plan with top 3 picks.

Things are looking awful rosy for Pitt,Chi,Wash,St.Loo these days aren't they?

I guess it does not matter one bit to you that 3 of the final 4 teams key go to guys are top 3 draft picks.

You hold onto your pie in the sky (we can be the next Detroit) cupcake, I'm not.


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Two of your 8 are questionable for the line-up next season in May and Devereauxat, so right off the bat you're down to 6 out of 23. That's not many. Mayers is a grinder. We have plenty of room for youth if we were to add a few upper tier veterans. Also there's no reason we can't move many of the players you list and make room for more youth. You can't just toss in a boatload of youth, it has the potential to ruin them. You're better off surrounding some of your young players with veterans.

If we go into next season with a line-up like

Blake - Mitchell - Hagman
Kulemin - Grabovski - Poni
Tlusty - Stalberg - Bozak
Mayers - UFA - Hanson

It won't be getting the young players much more ice-time at all and we're icing a much weaker team with lesser talent around our younger players. It's not a great situation to grow what we have.
Ya bottoming out and getting top 3 draft picks really screwed up Pitt, Chi, Car , Wash,St.Loo

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This doesn't make much sense, because most of our prospects don't deserve to play in the NHL.
so it makes more sense to fill the team with players that will not be around when this team is competitive. or will not be around when our prospects (who aren't getting quality minutes, because those are going to the veterans) are good enough to help the team win hockey games. Now that doesn't make sense.

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Rushing them into the league will just slow their development, and take away the
development time needed to transition to the pro level.
who's being rushed here. of course we would only introduce young players ready to start learning at the NHL level.

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You have to remember these prospects are just kids and not all of them are ready to face the pressures of the media, fans, and management. On top of that, they have to overcome the pressures placed on themselves, and a lot of the times at such a young age they cannot and this causes them to contemplate retirement from the game. Burke needs to fill this team with quality players to play in the meantime while our prospects develop, and eventually they will be replaced by the younger kids.
you make it sound like this team has nobody over 24. we have experienced players already under contract that can do what you are asking. what we need is to fill the holes with Leaf property that are ready to step in. now, if a Rick Nash gets signed or a Bouwmeester or possibly even a Cammaleri (a player still relatively young signed longterm who will be around when we are ready to win) then I'm fine with that. but multiple signing (Frogren, Hagman, Mayers, Finger) of players that won't make a difference in the future and take up capspace and roster spots that can be better used, is unnecessary this time around.

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10th overall.....really? I see to 20 but 10th overall is pretty bold Mess.
I have going around 15th truth be told .. From 10 on things get pretty interesting and its all guess work. I said Edmonton because I can see him cruising up and down that great ice they have.

This kid has all the raw skills size 6-2, 200+ and among the best skaters in the draft, and can really dangle 1-1, that if he puts it together could be a real special player. Scheduled to go to Boston College in 2010 a good program and after a year there you could see him turning pro. All this kid seems to need is some more experience and a better level of competition to push him. Players like Kadri and Schroeder might be drafted ahead of him on draft day, but Kreider is one of the players earmarked for the middle of the 1st round that could reward the team that drafts him and be better then some taken ahead of him.

US High School kids don't often get this much attention nor respect that he has. He has a lot of scouts drooling and if Burke acquired another mid round pick and selected him, I would be very excited to see how this turned out. Burke spending every second weekend in the Boston Area must know of and seen this kid play.

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VJW Player Chris Kreider Gains NHL Attention

There's plenty of reason to believe Chris Kreider of Phillips Andover Academy will be the first high school player taken at the 2009 Entry Draft in Montreal.

Scouts and coaches have been impressed with the 17-year-old's quick learning curve and his ability to hit top skating speed in a matter of seconds. A huge shot and the fact he's the top-rated high-school player in NHL Central Scouting's Final rankings also doesn't hurt.

“Being ranked that high is an impressive feat, especially for a kid who has one more year of high school left,” noted Fred Devereaux, VJW director of player development and current NHL scout for the Calgary Flames. “Chris has elevated his game over the past few years and has attracted the attention of the best teams in the NHL.”

It is no surprise that Kreider’s name is being mentioned among the best in the world. After all, the 6’2, 201-pound left wing/center has been considered by many to be the best high school hockey player in Massachusetts.
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Longtime Andover coach Dean Boylan is fully aware of Kreider's incredible upside. "The scouts who see him know what type of tremendous skills he has and he obviously has great physical strength, but he's an absolutely great character kid," Boylan said. "He's a great kid off the ice, a presence in the locker room and a young man who is forever looking to get better. Character is important to me and Chris is at the top."

"He's off to a really, really good start this season," said his coach, Phillips Andover mentor Dean Boylan "But beyond the goal scoring, Chris is doing all the little things in all three zones well. He just continues to work at making himself better."

Already ticketed to attend Boston College on scholarship in the fall of 2010, Kreider has been drawing the attention of NHL scouts for some time now. His explosive skating ability, soft hands, deadly shot and tremendous upside have them showing up at prep school rinks all over New England to watch him play.

"I feel he could be the first high-school player taken," said Central Scouting's Jack Barzee, a Midwest-based scout. "He's got all the tools, the size and the skating. When he skates down the wing and spreads his legs wide to protect the puck and gain the zone, it's something to see. There's a flair about him and he definitely has a second gear. He has a little bit of Eric Staal in him; he's not as thick as Staal, but is really upright and has a little niftiness with the puck."

Boylan, says the scouts that see Kreider can tell he's got hockey talent. What they want to know from his coach are about his intangibles as a person.

"The first thing I always stress is Chris' character," said Boylan. "It's clear he's a terrific player, but it's important they know what a good person he is, too. He's such a great kid off the ice. For the type of dollars NHL teams throw around (to top prospects at the pro level), character I'm sure plays a big part in who teams select. If that's the case, Chris will be all set."
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Gary Eggleston, who scouts high school players on the East Coast for Central Scouting, loves what he sees in Kreider.

"He's very dangerous in short-handed situations because of his anticipation, quick stick and intimidating speed," Eggleston said. "He sees the ice very well and is an excellent passer. He gets the puck through small openings and is a very unselfish player. He has an excellent hard and accurate shot, which he gets off on the fly, often surprising the goaltender. He plays the body well, is an aggressive forechecker, works the corners and wins the battles."

Kreider isn't afraid to play the body, particularly when he feels his team may need a spark. "If I'm not playing as well as I feel I should be, I like to get a little more gritty and play much more blue collar and do what I can for the team," he said. "The thing I enjoy most about today's NHL is the speed of the game. I also enjoy watching the passion that has been brought back into the game. I like to think that I bring speed, passion and grit and, hopefully, consistency each shift."
Here are a few clips from various scouting reports .. Based on the scouting reports I've read and clips I've viewed, I don't think this kid is going to be on the board too long come draft day.

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Man, if we don't get one of Tavares, Duchene, Schenn, or MPS, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. Kane, and Cowen would be decent consolation prizes, but I think those five are the money.

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