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05-29-2009, 10:16 AM
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For me, the worst on CKAC is Michel Langevin. I remember when Sergei was sent back to Hamilton and it was known that there was a anti-drug test going on, he talked with a drugs specialist and said something like that:

So what you're saying to me is that when an athlete take a drug like cocaine, it can affect his on-ice performance? He could look asleep, angry and not give a constant effort? They should send someone to do those kinds of test to a guy on the Hamilton roster.
His specialty is "This is a rumor I heard from many sources, I know it's probably not true and I do not believe it but as a journalist I think people have to be informed. Remember that I do not personally believe it"

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I always believed that journalists went too far with this story, but now that they have been cleared, some journalists should have their right to cover the Canadiens revoked. Criticize hockey as much as you want, bring back the Ribeiro trade every 3 days if that makes you feel good, but do not attack the personal lives of players like this. There is a line not to be crossed and last year that line was crossed, many times.

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This is an even darker day!

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Darkest day in Habs history?
It's what the media turned the rest of the season into.

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they were never charged for anything though...

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05-29-2009, 10:53 AM
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The original article on Lapresse was "cleaned" by their Lawyers. The authors themselves told on the radio the next day that they know it seems weak and a "dud" but that's because parts were removed by the lawyers and they also assured that it's only "the first part" and that the complete story will come out later.
Urban legend. See Patrick Lagacé's post.
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05-29-2009, 10:55 AM
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they were never charged for anything though...
You are darn right !! - just to see how deep this whole thing went into our own minds... I did not notice that in the title of this thread.

They cannot be "CLEARED of all charges" since they were never charged of anything ! They were not found "not guilty" because they were never legally accused of anything !

Must be a symptomatic error - we all (me included) assumed at an unconscious level that there were actual accusations against them...

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05-29-2009, 11:03 AM
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Yeah I don't really know about the title... they were never charged of anything to be cleared of. Except maybe in the hopes and dreams of certain people.

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05-29-2009, 11:43 AM
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More proof that news and entertainment should never be mixed together...

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05-29-2009, 11:49 AM
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Guarenteed that CanadianErrant and FSU Seminoles doesn't believe this story and will continue to think that the bros and Hamrlik are guilty.

Anyone with half a brain new this story wasn't true, how it was dragged on I have no idea!

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05-29-2009, 11:50 AM
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In a perfect world, all the reporters should look into the mirror and admit they have been scamming their audiences from the first day they started to be "reporters". They are rumour mongers at best.

They watch a practice, and all they can tell us is what the line combinations will be at the next game.

They watch a game, and their reports revolve around who scored, not who created, who executed.

They should all be manadated to ethics classes, then 4 weeks of on ice practices with an X and O's coach, then be sent to watch WHL, OHL, QMHL and US College games for a full year. They are never to discuss between themselves, just other reporters and scouts from other parts of the world.

Then.... they can come back and actually help descibe the game on the ice.

Until then, it is high school journalism at best.

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why doesn't rds post this story? They posted the false story right away with immediate updates!

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05-29-2009, 11:58 AM
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why doesn't rds post this story? They posted the false story right away with immediate updates!
They aren't from Quebec

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Pills? As in steroids?

Just doing my part to fan the flames here.
You have to inject the good stuff.

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In a perfect world, all the reporters should look into the mirror and admit they have been scamming their audiences from the first day they started to be "reporters". They are rumour mongers at best.

They watch a practice, and all they can tell us is what the line combinations will be at the next game.

They watch a game, and their reports revolve around who scored, not who created, who executed.

They should all be manadated to ethics classes, then 4 weeks of on ice practices with an X and O's coach, then be sent to watch WHL, OHL, QMHL and US College games for a full year. They are never to discuss between themselves, just other reporters and scouts from other parts of the world.

Then.... they can come back and actually help descibe the game on the ice.

Until then, it is high school journalism at best.
I would love to see this team covered in a way that benefits knowledgeable fans, too. Unfortunately, the reporters that cover teams all work for media outlets that have agendas. They want to publish the stories that will get the most people to watch their shows or buy their papers. That's all there is to it.

I guess it's sort of a dark commentary on the people who consume their "reports", but the content of the material covered by the media reflects the material that the audience will have the most interest in. As long as people will buy papers with ridiculous exaggerations on the front page of the sports column, we will see these types of stories thriving in the mainstream media.

As for journalistic ethics, their importance is eroding every second in our society. The average person's thirst for news that is both sensational and immediate far outweighs his/her care for sound reporting and journalism. This has pretty much made journalists that take time to measure their words and check their facts dinosaurs in the profession.

This whole debacle is just another example of the terrible coverage this team gets day in and day out. However, I find the most sad fact about this coverage is that the media (in a free country, anyway) is a direct reflection of the values, interests and ethics of its audience.

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05-29-2009, 12:23 PM
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Legally they werent charged of anything, but in the media and some public eyes, they were guilty, SO they were cleared of their charges?

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05-29-2009, 12:31 PM
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Legally they werent charged of anything, but in the media and some public eyes, they were guilty, SO they were cleared of their charges?
The article linked never mentions any legal charges, all it says is that the Montreal PD wanted to remove any doubts and rumors by officially saying all conversations recorded involving players were usual, normal and non-compromising discussions.

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05-29-2009, 12:35 PM
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I just wrote they are more than just a connaissance. 2000/365 days = 6 calls a day over a year! I don't call my wife that often
Actually, they said the Kostitsyn broz, you know as in the 2 of them.
So that makes 1000 calls each if you want to split them evenly.
The exact average is 2.7 calls a day each. Now you don't call your wife more than twice a day?..

We also don't know over how long a stretch those 2000 convos took place, nor do we know the length of their conversation.

A simple call to say ''Get me guest list at BuonaNote'' can take 20seconds of your time. That would be considered a conversation.


You took some info and turned it into ''6 calls a day! that's more than just an acquaintance'', when in fact it could very well be just 2 calls.
Since the Kost broz have been here for around 2 years, let's say 2000calls that time frame. It would bring that total down to 1.3 calls a day.


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I posted this exact information the day after all this stuff came out and everyone laughed at me. I ****ing told you guys, I asked people that actually KNOW this Mangiola dude. He's just some guy trying to look important.
That's exactly what I said at first as well and some posters reacted the same way as they did with you.

I don't know anybody in my surroundings that knows Mangiola, but I've been part of the jet set long enough to know these guys are easy to come by.
When celebrity's come to town and let a club know they'll be passing by, the owners assign a friend or someone that will take care of their every need.
I don't know if it's via a club owner, or if it's randomly meeting him at a party, or through friends, but Mangiola was just a link to hook them up with little things.

Let it be known that you're a young and rich celebrity, and those type of guys will be leeches.

I felt this story was ridiculous and anybody that's part of the jet set could tell it was bogus.

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05-29-2009, 12:37 PM
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The article linked never mentions any legal charges, all it says is that the Montreal PD wanted to remove any doubts and rumors by officially saying all conversations recorded involving players were usual, normal and non-compromising discussions.
They said ''anodin'', that means the conversations were innocent. I think that's a better word

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Off with their heads! Witch Witch Witch!!!!

Burn them... burn them alll!!!!!1


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They said ''anodin'', that means the conversations were innocent. I think that's a better word
I don't think you would like the meaning of "innocent" in Québecois

Anyway - the original Lapresse article clearly mentioned the brothers calling Mangiola to get women (that particular word fueled a lot of the discussion).

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...u-canadien.php

"Les frères Kostitsyn faisaient fréquemment appel à Pasquale Mangiola quand ils avaient besoin de quelque chose. Comme des bouteilles de vodka, des voitures de luxe, des femmes ou autres"

Could a call from a SK to Mangiola asking for "girls" legally be enough to justify charges ? Would they be "anodin" ? Cause it does link to prostitution IMO and then either the police lied or LaPresse lied.


BTW - I would apreciate someone changing the title of the thread and removing the word "charges" - there were never charges. It would be a symbolic thing to do.

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I don't think you would like the meaning of "innocent" in Québecois

Anyway - the original Lapresse article clearly mentioned the brothers calling Mangiola to get women (that particular word fueled a lot of the discussion).

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...u-canadien.php

"Les frères Kostitsyn faisaient fréquemment appel à Pasquale Mangiola quand ils avaient besoin de quelque chose. Comme des bouteilles de vodka, des voitures de luxe, des femmes ou autres"

Could a call from a SK to Mangiola asking for "girls" legally be enough to justify charges ? Would they be "anodin" ? Cause it does link to prostitution IMO and then either the police lied or LaPresse lied.


BTW - I would apreciate someone changing the title of the thread and removing the word "charges" - there were never charges. It would be a symbolic thing to do.
It was despicable from La Presse to say this if its pure speculation. Andrei Kostitsyn is married and has a child. As for Sergei, well there is Erika...

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They aren't from Quebec
why is there a

It really is because they're not from Québec. They'd be all over this already if it was about Fatty and Lapierre.

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The organisation should sue the papers for this...maybe they would be a little less agressive towards the club and would think twice before stirring **** up. SUE THEIR *****!!!!!

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I think some members of the media should apologize publicly to the Kost Bros and Hamrlik for trying to tarnish their reputation.

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Except that they never said that the 2000 conversations were recorded over a year so your point fail. It could have been over 4-5 years for all we know.
yeah right, they're going to find something else to bash the euros. Racism and discrimination is the real issue, and that ain't changing with those ignorant fools.

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