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05-29-2009, 04:48 PM
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Pulling the heart out of a young and promising team prior to the season just doesn't seem like a sound financial decision to me. Columbus can make money if they get 6 home playoff games next season. Sure they might lose Nash (I have no idea about their financial situation), but keeping him for the season in order to win makes the franchise look like the good guys (and Nash look like the bad guy - if he leaves for more money, that is). Either way, next season is pivotal for the BJ franchise.

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not a chance in h*ell we would give up frolov, johnson, hickey, and the 5th overall, way too much

but it would take somewhat of an overpayment, so i would do something like this:


5th overall
Jack Johnson
Oscar Moller
and either a mid level prospect (Purcell/Boyle) or 2nd rounder (possibly both if needed)

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Bieksa and Hodgson for Nash.....

Nuck fans are gonna kill me here.
I'm sure most Canuck fans would be ok with that, I know I sure would be. We're talking about Rick freakin Nash!

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I'm sure most Canuck fans would be ok with that, I know I sure would be. We're talking about Rick freakin Nash!
With one year on his deal!. People say we wont get much back for Luongo cause of that than I'm sure it implies with Nash too. It's for sure a fair deal but will Nash re-sign with us when our future isn't for sure known(Luongo and the Twins). For that I wouldn't be trading Hodgosn or Schneider till a long term plan is clear of where this team is heading.

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I would give you Frolov, Johnson, Hickey and our 1st
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Oh, I bet it is.

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05-29-2009, 08:29 PM
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With or without Nash, CBJ is going to be a contender if the current development trajectory of their youth is sustainable -- which I don't doubt that it is. That being said, lets say Nash is re-signed at $7m per; the CBJ cap hit would look as follows:
  • 09-10 = $46m
  • 10-11 = $49m
  • 11-12 = $60m

And how do I arrive at those numbers; well here are the details (projections indicated by[*]:

 09-1010-1111-12Notes
Forwards    
Voracek, Jakub1.2711.2714*RFA’11
Brassard, Derick1.2473*3*RFA’10
Huselius, Kristian4.754.754.75 
Filatov, Nikita2.2252.2255*RFA’11
Mayorov, Maksim0.8920.8921.5*RFA’11
Umberger, R.J.3.753.753.75 
Nash, Rick5.47*7*UFA’10
Vermette, Antoine2.7633*3*UFA’10
Torres, Raffi2.251.5*1.5*UFA’10
Chimera, Jason1.8751.8751.875 
Murray, Andrew0.6250.6250.85*UFA’11
Boll, Jared0.7431*1*RFA’10
Dorsett, Derek0.5631*1*RFA’10
Modin, Fredrik3.25   
Defensemen  
Commodore, Mike3.6123.6123.612 
Tyutin, Fedor2.8442.8443.425 
Hejda, Jan222*UFA’11
Klesla, Rostislav1.62*2*UFA’10
Russell, Kris0.752.5*2.5*RFA’10
Tollefsen, Ole-Kristian0.85*0.850.85*RFA’09
Methot, Marc0.85*0.85*0.85*RFA’09
Goalies  
Mason, Steve0.9050.9055*RFA’11
Lacosta, Dan0.75*0.75*0.75*RFA’09
 
Buyouts  
Westcott, Duvie0.3670.6170.617 
 
Cap Hit46.13248.81659.829 
Players242323 



Its quite evident that CBJ would be in cap hell by 2011-12 with no significant roster changes. The reason is simple, they'll have all of their good young players in their second NHL contracts by that point, which means big raises for some.

Knowing that now, I think a Nash trade is certainly a real consideration for CBJ management. There are probably other ways out of this dilemma, however, none would bring the return of a Nash deal.

Since the Kings are in a good position as anyone to make a deal for Nash, lets take this reasonable proposal to see what the new roster would look like (but replacing the bolded component with V. Voinov):

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5th overall
Jack Johnson
Oscar Moller
and either a mid level prospect (Purcell/Boyle) or 2nd rounder (possibly both if needed)

New Roster sans Nash:

W
C
W
VoracekBrassardMoller
FilatovJosefson^Mayorov
ChimeraUmbergerHuselius
DorsettMurrayBoll
Defense
men
Goalies
RussellCowen^Mason
JohnsonVoinovLaCosta
CommodoreTyutin 
TollefsenMethot 

Assumptions:
  • ^Josefson is drafted with CBJ's own pick and is on his ELC @ $1m (they may have to use a 2nd rdr to move up)
  • ^Cowen is drafted with LA's pick and is on his ELC @ $1m (they could even move down a bit to take him getting a 2nd rdr back)
  • Johnson re-signed @ $2m
  • Moller re-singed @ $1.5m
  • Voinov on ELC w/bonus @ $1m
  • Vermette not re-signed
  • Hejda not re-signed
  • Klesla not re-signed
  • still includes Wescott's buyout

Cap Hit:
  • $49m approx.


That my friends, has the feel of a cup worthy roster -- with cap room to spare no less. (Of course, there are a lot of assumptions here -- however, none that are far ferched.)

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05-29-2009, 09:05 PM
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Methinks Skraut, while a passionate CBJ fan, has got this all wrong. Trimming payroll won't help fix the Jackets' lease issues.

Now, should Rick decide he's not interested in sticking around? (To be honest, I think he'll re-sign, but for the sake of discussion...) I'm on board with all of this.

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With or without Nash, CBJ is going to be a contender if the current development trajectory of their youth is sustainable -- which I don't doubt that it is. That being said, lets say Nash is re-signed at $7m per;
For once, the team has some pieces that should build into a good team, even if Nash isn't around, and, depending on what kind of return you could get, it might be prudent to move Nasher if he's not planning on re-upping.

That's of course when you get into "what could CBJ get in return"? And there I have no idea.

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05-29-2009, 10:17 PM
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Hell, I would love if the ducks can get him, then we'd have a line of nash-getzy-perry a little warm up for the olympics when nash-getzy-heaters get reunited,
who you want from ducks?

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05-29-2009, 11:40 PM
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I don't think you need to trade Nash but if you need assets back that don't show up against the cap or the pocketbook much, I think you will get the most from the Kings. While I don't think many Kings fans want to give up the #5 overall for the 10 million dollar man in Lecavalier, we would easily do it for a young player like Nash who is not only a top sniper but plays the exact position that we need.

Not only do we have the assets to give, we have the biggest need as well.

And you'll get more now because of Nash's excellent season last year where as in previous years, he didn't even get near a point per game.

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Hell, I would love if the ducks can get him, then we'd have a line of nash-getzy-perry a little warm up for the olympics when nash-getzy-heaters get reunited,
who you want from ducks?
They'd want Ryan.

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Rick Nash is not to be ****ed with. Los Angeles opens the treasure chest, should he ever be available.

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Rick Nash is not to be ****ed with. Los Angeles opens the treasure chest, should he ever be available.
agreed.. and I personally think he will be available..

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As mentioned earlier, if the Jackets have to trim payroll they'll do it in other ways then to move Rick Nash. That said, if Nash won't agree to a contract extension this off-season, I think they have to seriously look at moving him, the same situation as the Canucks with Luongo. If Nash was made available and the Canucks' re-signed the Sedins I'd love to see Vancouver somehow get Nash. Nash with the Sedins would be money.

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Gilbert, Cogliano, 10th and Nash (the other one)
I'd rather see the BJ's fold.

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Higgins, Pleckaneck, Gorges, 1st in 09.

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Nash has already won one Richard Trophy and was 5th in the league in goals this year with Manny Malhotra as his center. Detriot is the best team in the league and no one has averaged more ppg against Detroit since the lockout than Nash. The only way he gets traded is at the deadline next year if he refuses to resign. If that's the case, it's going to be for very good players with good contracts, or a younger elite talent with a reasonable contract. Any of Getzlaf, Ryan, Richards, Heatley, Spezza, Hemsky, Setoguchi, ect...enter the discussion if trading Nash becomes a real possibly.

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They'd want Ryan.
LOL then screw it, i'm just gonna keep ryan

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there's no way you trade Nash... if they are that hurting financially that they can't retain Nash, then you have to consider relocation for a franchise like that....

they've been out of the playoffs forever and just made it for the 1st time this year... now that they finally have a solid group of young talent to build with and have actually improved overall as a team to the point they are on their way to being a contender, trading Nash would be a huge blow to the franchise overall.

I think they need to get closer to contention and re-sign Nash... you deal Modin and Torres if you have to... hell you waive Huselius before you consider dealing Nash.

trading Nash is the absolute last thing that a franchise in Columbus' situation should be doing right now... not only does it take them a step back after rebuilding for so many years, it sends the wrong message to a market where their hockey team is losing money... you want to retain your franchise player and keep taking those steps closer to being a contender... that's the only way you'll recover financially over the longterm.
I agree with you. The only thing that bothers me about the arena lease and "financial trouble" is the timing. My concern is that the Nash camp gained even more leverage (now he's not only the franchise face but one who can ask himself if he wants to sign somewhere where a small amount of doubt exists about the teams future in Columbus).

Personally I think this is all premature and simply posturing. The Jackets know they have a team on the rise with a solid long term future on the ice and can use that as leverage with the county and city to show them "they don't want to lose this franchise and the revenue it brings to the city". I forget where I read it but with the addition of the arena, the team and the upgrades to the area the NHL has essentially brought over $1 billion in revenue to the city of Columbus.

This team isn't going anywhere. Now Nash....he could be if he doesn't want to be part of this long term. I think he re-signs and the arena is sold and everyone is happy soon enough.

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I'd go with:

TO Montreal:
Rick Nash

TO Columbus:
Chris Higgins
Ryan McDonagh
Max Paciorrety
Kyle Chipchura
1st Round Pick (18th) in 2009
Conditional 1st round draft pick in 2010 (if signed by 2010 draft)


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With or without Nash, CBJ is going to be a contender if the current development trajectory of their youth is sustainable -- which I don't doubt that it is. That being said, lets say Nash is re-signed at $7m per; the CBJ cap hit would look as follows:
  • 09-10 = $46m
  • 10-11 = $49m
  • 11-12 = $60m

And how do I arrive at those numbers; well here are the details (projections indicated by[*]:

 09-1010-1111-12Notes
Forwards    
Voracek, Jakub1.2711.2714*RFA’11
Brassard, Derick1.2473*3*RFA’10
Huselius, Kristian4.754.754.75 
Filatov, Nikita2.2252.2255*RFA’11
Mayorov, Maksim0.8920.8921.5*RFA’11
Umberger, R.J.3.753.753.75 
Nash, Rick5.47*7*UFA’10
Vermette, Antoine2.7633*3*UFA’10
Torres, Raffi2.251.5*1.5*UFA’10
Chimera, Jason1.8751.8751.875 
Murray, Andrew0.6250.6250.85*UFA’11
Boll, Jared0.7431*1*RFA’10
Dorsett, Derek0.5631*1*RFA’10
Modin, Fredrik3.25   
Defensemen  
Commodore, Mike3.6123.6123.612 
Tyutin, Fedor2.8442.8443.425 
Hejda, Jan222*UFA’11
Klesla, Rostislav1.62*2*UFA’10
Russell, Kris0.752.5*2.5*RFA’10
Tollefsen, Ole-Kristian0.85*0.850.85*RFA’09
Methot, Marc0.85*0.85*0.85*RFA’09
Goalies  
Mason, Steve0.9050.9055*RFA’11
Lacosta, Dan0.75*0.75*0.75*RFA’09
 
Buyouts  
Westcott, Duvie0.3670.6170.617 
 
Cap Hit46.13248.81659.829 
Players242323 



Its quite evident that CBJ would be in cap hell by 2011-12 with no significant roster changes. The reason is simple, they'll have all of their good young players in their second NHL contracts by that point, which means big raises for some.

Knowing that now, I think a Nash trade is certainly a real consideration for CBJ management. There are probably other ways out of this dilemma, however, none would bring the return of a Nash deal.

Since the Kings are in a good position as anyone to make a deal for Nash, lets take this reasonable proposal to see what the new roster would look like (but replacing the bolded component with V. Voinov):




New Roster sans Nash:

W
C
W
VoracekBrassardMoller
FilatovJosefson^Mayorov
ChimeraUmbergerHuselius
DorsettMurrayBoll
Defense
men
Goalies
RussellCowen^Mason
JohnsonVoinovLaCosta
CommodoreTyutin 
TollefsenMethot 

Assumptions:
  • ^Josefson is drafted with CBJ's own pick and is on his ELC @ $1m (they may have to use a 2nd rdr to move up)
  • ^Cowen is drafted with LA's pick and is on his ELC @ $1m (they could even move down a bit to take him getting a 2nd rdr back)
  • Johnson re-signed @ $2m
  • Moller re-singed @ $1.5m
  • Voinov on ELC w/bonus @ $1m
  • Vermette not re-signed
  • Hejda not re-signed
  • Klesla not re-signed
  • still includes Wescott's buyout

Cap Hit:
  • $49m approx.


That my friends, has the feel of a cup worthy roster -- with cap room to spare no less. (Of course, there are a lot of assumptions here -- however, none that are far ferched.)

Columbus trading Nash will not be based on the cap in 3 years. It will be based on whether not chooses to sign a new contract before the trade deadline next season. By that time, the 2009 draft will have already happened, so all the picks in discussion should be for 2010+.

Regardless, I really don't see him not renewing his contract this summer. I bet he resigns for what would equate to a 4 year, 28 million-dollar deal and Howson works the cap number down to 6.5 a year. The only time he leaves is if he requests a trade and that would probably happen during an off-season. I just can't see how the management will let it get to the point where Nash is not happy in Columbus. He's the face of a franchise that boasts one of the most talented young teams in the league and he gets to be the captain. I think he'll be a big part of this team for years to come.

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Columbus trading Nash will not be based on the cap in 3 years. It will be based on whether not chooses to sign a new contract before the trade deadline next season. By that time, the 2009 draft will have already happened, so all the picks in discussion should be for 2010+.

Regardless, I really don't see him not renewing his contract this summer. I bet he resigns for what would equate to a 4 year, 28 million-dollar deal and Howson works the cap number down to 6.5 a year. The only time he leaves is if he requests a trade and that would probably happen during an off-season. I just can't see how the management will let it get to the point where Nash is not happy in Columbus. He's the face of a franchise that boasts one of the most talented young teams in the league and he gets to be the captain. I think he'll be a big part of this team for years to come.

You're problably right that Columbus would never get to the point of wanting to move Nash (or him wanting to leave); he's got a great situation in Columbus. However, if only addressing a 4-year deal; next year he knows that he could get over $7million per season front-loaded on the open market.... problably even close to an average of $8m.

If he's willing to lock up somewhere else long term, he could easily get an average of $7m on a 6-7 year deal again front loaded. Nash is problably a player that will problably make $8-9million in 2010-2011.

If I'm the Jackets; Nash either signs an extension this summer or goes before the season starts. At the deadline teams are usually only willing to part with picks (something they havent been prepared to do lately) or lesser players. If Nash isn't in the long term future of hte bluejackets, the offseason is when you're going to get another teams best young player in return.

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