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Phaneuf is a very tough trade because of his impact on the team; but it seems obvious that a retooling in some way/shape/form is definitely neccessary; with the hope of obviously clearing some cap space. As a Calgary fan 2nd (or 3rd -- always seem to jump between the Canes & Flames); there's no way I'd actively look to trade Dion; but I would listen to offers. I also don't believe that it is time to rebuild. Iggy is 30, Jokinen is 29, Kipper 31, Regher 28; this team still has a bright future ahead.
Assuming Phaneuf would be gone, the blueline would consist of Regehr, Sarich, Vandermeer, and Giordano. Realistically, that means the need for a top pair guy with Regehr, and a top 4 guy to play with Sarich. The one thing that seems to be missing is a puck-mover if Phaneuf is gone.
Up front, I would problably consider moving Langkow if the right package came along that brought in a top line left winger capable of carrying a 2nd line.
Obviously any trade involving Phanuef has to be part of the bigger picture; but one scenario that could make sense is to trade him for a guy like Kaberle after the UFAs are snatched up; both had pretty rough years, but Phaneuf is young & physical (something the leafs definitely aspire to be) and Kaberle is cheap, plus will come with other assets.
If the Flames can get Beauchemin or Morris to a deal close to $4million, and then move Phaneuf for Kaberle (+ other assets) then you're looking at a pretty good bargain, with about $4.1 per top 4 defenceman (with Regehr, Kaberle, Sarich and Morris/Beauchemin). Thats a lot less than was spent this year with Aucoin instead of Morris/Beauchemin.
I think Backlund may be ready for the NHL, so assuming you move Langkow, and maybe take a guy like Hagman, Ponikarovsky, or Kulemin in addition to a draft pick in a Phaneuf deal; you can problably work that into a pair of solid top 6 wingers with lots of cap space to use. It would be very non-sutterish; but Gaborik might even fit.
If I'm the Flames, I take that deal in a second... Kaberle is a much better dman right now than Phaneuf is, while at $4.2mill, he's got a low enough salary that basically replaces Aucoin (who was making $4mill last year)... gives the Flames the 7th overall pick, and gives them a great shot at signing JBo in the offseason as well.
JBo's salary becomes easy to fit with Phaneuf's gone... and again Kaberle will just replace Aucoin's salary...
no brainer IMO for the Flames... they get the 7th overall and add 2 dmen that are better right now, which gets them closer to the Cup under their current window.
If I'm Calgary, I'd try and lock up this deal as soon as possible... IMO if they have the cap space to sign JBo, Calgary is his first choice to sign with.
No one (well maybe the select few, but those are the same ones that want to strip Iginla of the 'C') wants to trade him, rumours from Eklund have spawned people into thinking Phaneuf is available.
considering I am the most vocal about stripping Iginla of the "C" I can say you are full of **** since I think trading Phaneuf is a HUGE mistake
If I am Sutter...I actually think about that trade..
As much as i like Dion, i dont think i would want to part with both Kaberle and the 1st.
And im not one for overrating Tomas; but the first in this years draft is a big one...in terms of getting a player that could possible help the turn around.
Kaberle, Stempniak, 2010 1st
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Phaneuf
give us this years draft, and i dont think we will be that much better next year anyways.
Phaneuf won't be traded, neither will Cammalleri's rights because he's testing the open market, so anytime paying something for his rights won't get anything in return until after july 1st...so it makes it a moot deal.
I can't begin to say how horrible of a deal that is for the Leafs. I am not saying Phaneuf isn't a good player, just saying that would be a huge step back for this team. We essentially trade a dman who is cheaper than Phaneuf, and is better right now. We also give up the 7th which could get us Cowen or Schenn, and would cost close to nothing (in terms of salary). We could also trade Kabs for a 1st and prospect. Leafs are not in a position to make that sort of a deal, or for any other "star" players.
I can't begin to say how horrible of a deal that is for the Leafs. I am not saying Phaneuf isn't a good player, just saying that would be a huge step back for this team. We essentially trade a dman who is cheaper than Phaneuf, and is better right now. We also give up the 7th which could get us Cowen or Schenn, and would cost close to nothing (in terms of salary). We could also trade Kabs for a 1st and prospect. Leafs are not in a position to make that sort of a deal, or for any other "star" players.
Kaberle isn't better than Phaneuf. Maybe 4 years ago when Phaneuf was in junior. Come on man Phaneuf does everything better than Kaberle.
Phaneuf is the more physical player right now... he also has a better shot from the point.
Kaberle is better in every other way right now... he is better in the defensive zone, better at skating the puck out of the zone... better at passing and controlling the puck overall... he's just the more complete - and significantly more intelligent player right now.
Phaneuf still has massive upside and could be a much better player than Kaberle when all is said and done... right now though, IMO, there's little doubt that Kaberle is the better overall dman.
rose colored glasses on both sides. ask a fan of neither team who is the better player NOW. could be an interesting poll
You can't make any judgements based on last season. Neither player was all that great.
But, if you asked me who would likely be better next season: Phaneuf will probably rack up more points (certainly more goals), be about 100 times more physical, and be about as effective overall in his own zone (although I admit that is a projection, because Kaberle's smart positioning almost makes up for his lack of a physical game). He'll never have Kaberle's natural vision for playmaking, general hockey intelligence, and overall mobility, but I'd take him over Kaberle any night of the week.
Any, if you ask me which would be the better longterm investment, no comparison there. Kaberle has almost certainly peaked where Phaneuf should only get better.
Calm down. Both those moves (trading Phaneuf, stripping the 'C' off Iginla) make the same amount of sense.. none.
just because you can't grasp something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense... no one is saying Iginla is a poor leader... just saying that maybe Regehr will be a better choice right now and saying maybe a change will be good because whats happening now isn't working... and the problem went far beyond the bench since this is 3 coaches that had disappointing first round losses
I hope the Leafs acquire Cammalleri's rights. He's implied he wants to play for the Leafs in the past, and I think he would take a hometown discount if the Leafs had exclusive rights...bu there's no way he'd take a discount on July 1st when teams are throwing 6 million/year offers at him.
Didn't the Canucks trade a 2nd for Ryder's rights last summer? They never traded the pick because Ryder didn't sign with them, but I think this whole "trading rights" business may be more expensive that most people think
