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06-01-2009, 08:04 PM
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Jeff Carter

I do not normally do this, but I was wondering how people value Jeff Carter. He was second in the league in goals behind AO, and is still very young. He has one of the best wrist shots in the game today and his speed is very good also.

People will say that he came up short in the playoffs, but he had a seperated shoulder, which limited the use of his best weapon- the lethal wrist shot.

So what would your team offer for Jeff Carter, one of the top young centers in teh game today???

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I do not normally do this, but I was wondering how people value Jeff Carter. He was second in the league in goals behind AO, and is still very young. He has one of the best wrist shots in the game today and his speed is very good also.

People will say that he came up short in the playoffs, but he had a seperated shoulder, which limited the use of his best weapon- the lethal wrist shot.

So what would your team offer for Jeff Carter, one of the top young centers in teh game today???
Pointless because Philly isn't trading him. I suspect they will try and trade JRV for an elite goalie prospect.

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Frolov and JJ

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Johnson's value is lower than whale crap at the moment.

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Johnson's value is lower than whale crap at the moment.
HAHA, yes because of the KHL rumor. He still has plenty of value.

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Pointless because Philly isn't trading him. I suspect they will try and trade JRV for an elite goalie prospect.
Because elite prospect for elite prospect trades happen so often, and elite goalies prospects have such a high rate of suceeding....but lets not get this thread off topic

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Because of his play this year Carter is probably worth the 1st overall this year. Most teams would probably rather have Carter since he's turned the corner and is putting it all together rather than take a chance on a prospect like Tavares or Hedmen and then hope they turn out better than Carter. However, I doubt that the NYI would trade the 1st overall even for Jeff Carter and Tavares is a bigger NAME and would make a better new face of the franchise than Carter would.

However, if TBL trades VL then I could easily see them trading the 2nd overall for Carter. I don't think that I'd do that as the flyers but I think TBL would do it.

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Shouldn't Carter be worth more than the 1st overall? Not that that would ever happen though.

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Because of his play this year Carter is probably worth the 1st overall this year. Most teams would probably rather have Carter since he's turned the corner and is putting it all together rather than take a chance on a prospect like Tavares or Hedmen and then hope they turn out better than Carter. However, I doubt that the NYI would trade the 1st overall even for Jeff Carter and Tavares is a bigger NAME and would make a better new face of the franchise than Carter would.

However, if TBL trades VL then I could easily see them trading the 2nd overall for Carter. I don't think that I'd do that as the flyers but I think TBL would do it.

If Tampa Bay added one of Ramo/Helenius and another piece, it would get interesting.

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I love Hedman but he is just a prospect. I am not sure what I would do there.....

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Not really any sort of realistic package that sees the Flyers trade Carter.... as they'd be looking for exactly the same in return and teams dont usually like to give up on their franchise forwards.

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Johnson's value is lower than whale crap at the moment.
Indeed, whale crap is valueless. Whale puke on the other hand... precious ambergris.

Carter isn't being traded, but I would say value-wise he's worth an already established younger top six forward OR a number two defenseman AND a top 6ish pick OR a highly regarded prospect.

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Not really any sort of realistic package that sees the Flyers trade Carter.... as they'd be looking for exactly the same in return and teams dont usually like to give up on their franchise forwards.
We have a franchise forward already in Richards, another PPG forward in Briere, and a potential PPG forward in Giroux. If Carter returned a top 2 pick this year and other pieces we needed, it might work. I'd rather deal him for a franchise goalie, though. If Luongo became available, I am sure that Carter is what Vancouver would want.

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We have a franchise forward already in Richards, another PPG forward in Briere, and a potential PPG forward in Giroux. If Carter returned a top 2 pick this year and other pieces we needed, it might work. I'd rather deal him for a franchise goalie, though. If Luongo became available, I am sure that Carter is what Vancouver would want.
Carter
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As he does not ahve a longer term deal in place and Carter is still ver young


But I want to hold on to JC, just seeing how he is valued around here

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Carter
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As he does not ahve a longer term deal in place and Carter is still ver young


But I want to hold on to JC, just seeing how he is valued around here
Oh, I agree, but I think that Vancouver wouldn't add much to Luongo, since a deal would probably have to be contingent upon Luongo signing an extension. A franchise goaltender locked up for 3-4 years is worth a hell of a lot (i.e., a young 1st line center).

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Oh, I agree, but I think that Vancouver wouldn't add much to Luongo, since a deal would probably have to be contingent upon Luongo signing an extension. A franchise goaltender locked up for 3-4 years is worth a hell of a lot (i.e., a young 1st line center).
To be honest I think that Luongo on a 3 year deal is worth more then Carter no matter how long he signed for. But of course that is only my opinion.

With that said, I really feel like there is 0.01% chance that Carter is moved. Richards and Carter are truly the only untouchables on that team (Hartnell is actually close too IMO) therefore I could see Gagne being moved before Carter.

If I were the Flyers I think I would be shopping Gagne for a goalie ALA Giguere/Hiller.
Clearly it's not a MUST that they trade Gagne and if they can't get a goalie then keep him but if you have a chance to get a goalie... I think you jump at the chance.

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To be honest I think that Luongo on a 3 year deal is worth more then Carter no matter how long he signed for. But of course that is only my opinion.

With that said, I really feel like there is 0.01% chance that Carter is moved. Richards and Carter are truly the only untouchables on that team (Hartnell is actually close too IMO) therefore I could see Gagne being moved before Carter.

If I were the Flyers I think I would be shopping Gagne for a goalie ALA Giguere/Hiller.
Clearly it's not a MUST that they trade Gagne and if they can't get a goalie then keep him but if you have a chance to get a goalie... I think you jump at the chance.

Or, even better, Lupul+ for Harding (RFA), and then trade/waive/LTIR Jones. We could sign a veteran goalie and a 2nd pairing defenseman, and keep the insane forward depth.

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As he does not ahve a longer term deal in place and Carter is still ver young
You're not going to get more than Luongo for Carter. I've heard this argument before, that one year of Luongo isn't worth that much, but one year of Luongo was on the table for Vincent Lecavalier just three years ago, and I wouldn't say that Carter's current value is worth more than Lecavalier's three years ago and Luongo has proven more now than he had three years ago.

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You're not going to get more than Luongo for Carter. I've heard this argument before, that one year of Luongo isn't worth that much, but one year of Luongo was on the table for Vincent Lecavalier just three years ago, and I wouldn't say that Carter's current value is worth more than Lecavalier's three years ago and Luongo has proven more now than he had three years ago.

Good point. I am just saying we are talking about the #2 goal scorer in the league who still has not reached his potential

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Good point. I am just saying we are talking about the #2 goal scorer in the league who still has not reached his potential
And were talking about the #2, or possibly #1, goaltender. And you can say that Luongo hasn't reached his potential either as many goaltenders play their best years in their early 30's. Sure Carter had a fantastic season, but he could just as easily be a 30-35 goal scorer throughout his career as he could be a top 3 goal scorer. Seen it happen, many, many, many times before.

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And were talking about the #2, or possibly #1, goaltender. And you can say that Luongo hasn't reached his potential either as many goaltenders play their best years in their early 30's. Sure Carter had a fantastic season, but he could just as easily be a 30-35 goal scorer throughout his career as he could be a top 3 goal scorer. Seen it happen, many, many, many times before.
The rub here is that Carter wouldn't be traded without an extension from Luongo, but Vancouver would have no reason to trade Luongo any time soon if he can be extended at any price that Vancouver could afford (because there is no way that the Flyers could go any higher on the contract).

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5th overall
Jack Johnson
Jarett Stoll

I'd rather have Doughty than JJ and the 5th overall.

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To get Luongo out of Van it would take something like Carter + Coburn and maybe even a pick
(assuming Luongo resigns for 4 years or so at a fair price)

I am not saying that that would equal trade value...im saying that is what it would take from Vancouver perspective.

If Philly felt that the asking price is too high as they dont value Luongo as highly as the Canucks do then there wouldnt be a deal.

This pretty much sums up 2 multi paged threads we had on hf boards just last month

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