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06-02-2009, 10:30 AM
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If were looking at the Carter vs. Luongo situation there are a few key points to remember:

- All-star goalies are worth a lot more than all-star forwards, period.

- The fact that Luongo isn't re-signed is irrelevant. Your GM would take the chance as if Lu waives his NTC to goto Philly he will likely re-sign. Luongo will NEVER be traded when he has 3 years left under contract.. Just doesn't make sense. We got him as an unsigned RFA, gambling that we may only have him for 1 year.

It would be Carter + for Luongo not the other way around. I would imagine something like Carter, JVR, and a pick... Very possibly a 1st.

Alot of Philly fans may not like that.. Many would... But in reality Lu won't get traded anyway so it doesn't matter
Not every team is willing to take a chance on an unsigned player. LA could of had Luongo if he was willing to sign an extension, it was a done deal. Carter is massive overpayment for a goalie that hasn't stepped up in the playoffs.

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06-02-2009, 11:03 AM
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Sbisa is 6'2" and he's a better and faster skater than Coburn. If he fills in and gets a little mean, he'll be a very special player. He really wowed me at prospects camp last year. He's also five years younger than Coburn.


I'd seriously re-watch. Sbisa is not in the same class of skater as Coburn, let alone faster and better.

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06-02-2009, 11:24 AM
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Sbisa is 6'2" and he's a better and faster skater than Coburn. If he fills in and gets a little mean, he'll be a very special player. He really wowed me at prospects camp last year. He's also five years younger than Coburn.
and Coburn is 6'5... a WIDE 6'5 at that. Sbisa isn't in the same class of skating as Coburn, as someone already pointed out...

And what does it matter if Sbisa is 5 years younger? Coburn still has the higher ceiling and hasn't gotten there yet (he should any year now..it's near his prime years).

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06-02-2009, 11:26 AM
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If were looking at the Carter vs. Luongo situation there are a few key points to remember:

- All-star goalies are worth a lot more than all-star forwards, period.

- The fact that Luongo isn't re-signed is irrelevant. Your GM would take the chance as if Lu waives his NTC to goto Philly he will likely re-sign. Luongo will NEVER be traded when he has 3 years left under contract.. Just doesn't make sense. We got him as an unsigned RFA, gambling that we may only have him for 1 year.

It would be Carter + for Luongo not the other way around. I would imagine something like Carter, JVR, and a pick... Very possibly a 1st.

Alot of Philly fans may not like that.. Many would... But in reality Lu won't get traded anyway so it doesn't matter
I agree that the goalie is the most important position and that Luongo is the most valuable piece in this trade proposal, but to think that Luongo is going to return a 24-year old 40 goal scorer, a 2nd overall pick AND another first rounder is a bit excessive.

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06-02-2009, 12:36 PM
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I agree that the goalie is the most important position and that Luongo is the most valuable piece in this trade proposal, but to think that Luongo is going to return a 24-year old 40 goal scorer, a 2nd overall pick AND another first rounder is a bit excessive.

If I'm the Flyers I pass on that deal and never lose a nights sleep over it. I wouldn't trade Carter straight up for Luongo.

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06-02-2009, 12:49 PM
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If were looking at the Carter vs. Luongo situation there are a few key points to remember:

- All-star goalies are worth a lot more than all-star forwards, period.

- The fact that Luongo isn't re-signed is irrelevant. Your GM would take the chance as if Lu waives his NTC to goto Philly he will likely re-sign. Luongo will NEVER be traded when he has 3 years left under contract.. Just doesn't make sense. We got him as an unsigned RFA, gambling that we may only have him for 1 year.

It would be Carter + for Luongo not the other way around. I would imagine something like Carter, JVR, and a pick... Very possibly a 1st.

Alot of Philly fans may not like that.. Many would... But in reality Lu won't get traded anyway so it doesn't matter
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To get Luongo out of Van it would take something like Carter + Coburn and maybe even a pick
(assuming Luongo resigns for 4 years or so at a fair price)

I am not saying that that would equal trade value...im saying that is what it would take from Vancouver perspective.

If Philly felt that the asking price is too high as they dont value Luongo as highly as the Canucks do then there wouldnt be a deal.

This pretty much sums up 2 multi paged threads we had on hf boards just last month
Keep him.

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If were looking at the Carter vs. Luongo situation there are a few key points to remember:

- All-star goalies are worth a lot more than all-star forwards, period.

- The fact that Luongo isn't re-signed is irrelevant. Your GM would take the chance as if Lu waives his NTC to goto Philly he will likely re-sign. Luongo will NEVER be traded when he has 3 years left under contract.. Just doesn't make sense. We got him as an unsigned RFA, gambling that we may only have him for 1 year.

It would be Carter + for Luongo not the other way around. I would imagine something like Carter, JVR, and a pick... Very possibly a 1st.

Alot of Philly fans may not like that.. Many would... But in reality Lu won't get traded anyway so it doesn't matter
Carter for luongo is far. Why is this so difficult for some people. There doesnt need to be more for one side or the other. There could be pieces going both ways but they will equal out. Jeff Carter isnt on Ovechkin or Malkins level, but he is a second tier super star that is only getting better. Please stop making proposals that is just going to start an argument. Your post wasnt needed in this thread.

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06-02-2009, 03:29 PM
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To Philly:

LW Wolski (2.80)
D Hannan (4.50)
'09 Habs 2nd Round Pick (48th overall)

To Colorado:

C Carter (5.00)



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06-02-2009, 03:33 PM
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To Philly:

LW Wolski (2.80)
D Hannan (4.50)
'09 Habs 2nd Round Pick (48th overall)

To Colorado:

C Carter (5.00)


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Briere for Hannan (plus a pick or a prospect) and his awesome play.....

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Briere for Hannan (plus a pick or a prospect) and his awesome play.....
Avs can't afford him at all

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Avs can't afford him at all
Well, Flyers can afford a d-men who had 10pts and minus 21. Youknow_whatIamsaying?

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Well, Flyers can afford a d-men who had 10pts and minus 21. Youknow_whatIamsaying?
I have a feeling there's a direct correlation between Hannan's minus 21 and the fact that the goalies who played behind him were Peter Budaj and Andrew Raycroft.

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To Philly:

LW Wolski (2.80)
D Hannan (4.50)
'09 Habs 2nd Round Pick (48th overall)

To Colorado:

C Carter (5.00)


Start with the #3 overall

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I'd rather trade Giroux than Coburn
Remember,Quebec wanted Brindamour and instead we gave them Forsberg. Not saying this is the same. But.............


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and Coburn is 6'5... a WIDE 6'5 at that. Sbisa isn't in the same class of skating as Coburn, as someone already pointed out...

And what does it matter if Sbisa is 5 years younger? Coburn still has the higher ceiling and hasn't gotten there yet (he should any year now..it's near his prime years).
I like both players. However Coburn had a down year. Maybe he was doing to many TV commercials. As far as ceilings go I hope they both shoot for the moon. Coburn really needs a good season or else he may be trade bait next year. The Flyers have some good young D coming up through the ranks. The future looks very promising.

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If I'm the Flyers I pass on that deal and never lose a nights sleep over it. I wouldn't trade Carter straight up for Luongo.
I agree. Jeff is a keeper, a true team core player.

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06-02-2009, 05:28 PM
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I like both players. However Coburn had a down year. Maybe he was doing to many TV commercials. As far as ceilings go I hope they both shoot for the moon. Coburn really needs a good season or else he may be trade bait next year. The Flyers have some good young D coming up through the ranks. The future looks very promising.
He wouldn't be trade bait. He's only signed through 2010. I suppose he'd be a candidate for someone to offer a trade before that, but it's more likely an offer sheet situation, right? Or is he arbitration-eligible?

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Remember,Quebec wanted Brindamour and instead we gave them Forsberg. Not saying this is the same. But.............
How does this compare to the Lindros trade? I don't follow how it is similar at all.

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it would take the world to get carter from me but if i could come down to a somwhat believable (not even so far as reasonable) package it would be

tampa 1st (2nd overall)
steven stamkos
meszaros

and either
mike smith
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kari ramo and 1st in 2010

but thats as close as i can think of

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it would take the world to get carter from me but if i could come down to a somwhat believable (not even so far as reasonable) package it would be

tampa 1st (2nd overall)
steven stamkos
meszaros

and either
mike smith
or
kari ramo and 1st in 2010

but thats as close as i can think of
I think Carter is awesome but damn.... this is pushing it.

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it would take the world to get carter from me but if i could come down to a somwhat believable (not even so far as reasonable) package it would be

tampa 1st (2nd overall)
steven stamkos
meszaros

and either
mike smith
or
kari ramo and 1st in 2010

but thats as close as i can think of
i love jeff carter too, but that's way too much for him.

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06-03-2009, 09:47 AM
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it would take the world to get carter from me but if i could come down to a somwhat believable (not even so far as reasonable) package it would be

tampa 1st (2nd overall)
steven stamkos
meszaros

and either
mike smith
or
kari ramo and 1st in 2010

but thats as close as i can think of
Umm no. Tampa wouldn't do this.

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i love jeff carter too, but that's way too much for him.
okay okay you talked me down. they can keep smith and meszaros. we need to clear the cap space anyway.

but from a different angle weve just given tampa the 1/2 that could rival pittsburgh and placed a serious obstacle in our playoff hopes for years to come. id probably take a lil less out west

to la
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okay okay you talked me down. they can keep smith and meszaros. we need to clear the cap space anyway.

but from a different angle weve just given tampa the 1/2 that could rival pittsburgh and placed a serious obstacle in our playoff hopes for years to come. id probably take a lil less out west

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Too much to give up.

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