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06-02-2009, 12:15 AM
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Was Alexei Zhitnik that good in LA?

I was watching the goals scored by the Kings in the 92-93 playoffs.

Of course, it was hard to notice anyone but Gretzky

But I thought that our best offensive defenseman was Zhitnik, followed by Blake

Was he this good this often?

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Meh. He was always a pretty good defenseman, but nothing spectacular. He was an assist machine while he was here but that could be said about anyone that played with Gretzky. I dunno... Throughout most of his career he was able to produce consistently, though that has gone down in recent years, but I don't think it is a coincidence that it coincides with his age going up (one of those players that couldn't age well and transition in the "new NHL"). I think he led a pretty good career all things considered.

I always thought he was good in LA. I was sorry to see him go in the Fuhr trade... But that's the way things went back then.

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He was good but loved the vodka and had issues with the Russian mob. Hence hte reason he was dealt from L.A.

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He had 2 good seasons playing with Blake. He could seriously lug the puck up the ice, but Norstrom was a better long term fit to play alongside Blake based on his NHL performance, but he got dealt during the McNall explosion/McMaster Disaster for Grant Fuhr.

He goes to Buffalo, and they turn him into a serviceable Defenseman and he stops scoring goals.

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He was good but loved the vodka and had issues with the Russian mob. Hence hte reason he was dealt from L.A.
This...and his shot was a threat to low flying aircraft...

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He was good but loved the vodka and had issues with the Russian mob. Hence hte reason he was dealt from L.A.
He was good, but Reaper hit the nail on the head. The man liked his Vodka. The bartenders at Harry O's poured him non-stop!

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depends on who you ask. i wasn't particularly sold on him, but i was also about 19/20 years old when he started out.

he was a decent offensive threat, but was never particularly good in his own end.

he once had Paul Coffey and his whole world in front of him, and then Coffey was traded.

he was very good in that playoffs and followed it up with a sophomore season almost identical to that rookie year... then Wayne decided to scramble scurry from his bench GM position, so they traded Alex as part of a deal that brought Grant Fuhr.

Alex had only one other 40 point season in his career, never having better regular season numbers than his first two in Los Angeles and had similar post-season numbers only once with Buffalo in 1999 (when they lost to Dallas in the finals) as the numbers he had in 1993.

there were also a number of rumors at the time that Zhitnik liked the drinky drink a little too much.

i've said it before... the thing i'm most disappointed with regarding the whole Zhitnik story was that the Kings let Boucher walk for nothing.

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Melrose claimed he skated like Bobby Orr. Guy couldn't hit the net to save his life. I guess he liked "high" in more ways than one.

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i loved him when he was here, but he really didn't do much with his career after he left.

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Always liked him, he was one tough Zhit. The Coffey trade to Detroit still makes me angry.

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People trashed that trade but Phillipe Bouchers last year as a King + playoffs and first 2-3 as a Star he just as good as Zhitnik if not a better all around D.

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He was good but loved the vodka and had issues with the Russian mob. Hence hte reason he was dealt from L.A.
people always bring this up, but it is totally unsubstantiated. If he was such a raging alcoholic, how did he play for ~15 years in the league, including all-star games?

He was my favorite player at the time and I maintain that his trade to Buffalo for Fuhr was one of the worst in Kings history. Beginning of the end for the Black & Silver era Kings.

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i loved him when he was here, but he really didn't do much with his career after he left.
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Melrose claimed he skated like Bobby Orr. Guy couldn't hit the net to save his life. I guess he liked "high" in more ways than one.
One thing I definitely remember was it was nice having a defenseman that could turn and burn with Glenn Anderson and keep him to the outside instead of getting beat.

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He was good but loved the vodka and had issues with the Russian mob. Hence hte reason he was dealt from L.A.
True Story: My senior year in college (2003, UC Irvine), I took an Organized Crime class where THIS http://www.amazon.com/Russian-Mafia-...967570&sr=8-33 book was assigned. There're a couple of paragraphs in there about Zhitnek, with him being extorted by the Russian Mafia, etc. (pretty shady stuff, naturally). The "funny" part was when the professor --who was essentially my mentor at the school, and knew I was a Kings' fan--started razzing on the Kings, and trumpeting the Ducks being in the playoffs, in the middle of the lecture...ah, memories...


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Though I was young at the time, I loved Zhitnik.

As for Boucher, letting him go was really stupid.

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Nobody wants to talk about Denis Tsygurov? The softest NHL player I have ever seen, he appeared scared out on the ice. I liked Zhitnik, when the trade went down I was stoked to get Fuhr because I thought it would finally cure the Kings goaltending woes (funny how much things change in 14 years). Unfortunately, Fuhr was swallowed up by the black hole in LA and his only highlight was giving up a great goal to Alex Zhamnov at the Forum. I think Zhitnik suffered the same fate as many NHL players after they were seperated from Wayne, including Jari Kurri and Vitali Yachmanev. Overall that was a stinker of a deal and is 1 of the many reasons the Kings are still re-building to this day.

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Nobody wants to talk about Denis Tsygurov? The softest NHL player I have ever seen, he appeared scared out on the ice. I liked Zhitnik, when the trade went down I was stoked to get Fuhr because I thought it would finally cure the Kings goaltending woes (funny how much things change in 14 years). Unfortunately, Fuhr was swallowed up by the black hole in LA and his only highlight was giving up a great goal to Alex Zhamnov at the Forum. I think Zhitnik suffered the same fate as many NHL players after they were seperated from Wayne, including Jari Kurri and Vitali Yachmanev. Overall that was a stinker of a deal and is 1 of the many reasons the Kings are still re-building to this day.
I disagree.Didn't Kurri score more goals and points the yr after Gretzky was traded than when playing with him in 87-88? Yes he missed Wayne, but Gretzky's totals also took a hit without Kurri who was a very under rated two way player.

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06-03-2009, 02:27 AM
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Since being traded for each other Boucher scored 87 goals to Zhitniks 70. Value wise the deal was good for LA but by letting Fuhr and later Boucher walk as UFA it looked bad. Still FAR from LA's worst deal.

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Zhitnik who?

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One thing I definitely remember was it was nice having a defenseman that could turn and burn with Glenn Anderson and keep him to the outside instead of getting beat.
He was also great at shutting down Bure.

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Since being traded for each other Boucher scored 87 goals to Zhitniks 70. Value wise the deal was good for LA but by letting Fuhr and later Boucher walk as UFA it looked bad. Still FAR from LA's worst deal.
W T F ?

In what way, shape or form was that a good deal for LA? Fuhr was a complete disaster for the Kings ( not to mention that the Kings DIDN'T NEED A GOALIE AT THAT TIME) and Z went on to a 15 yr solid NHL career. WORST DEAL EVER.

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W T F ?

In what way, shape or form was that a good deal for LA? Fuhr was a complete disaster for the Kings ( not to mention that the Kings DIDN'T NEED A GOALIE AT THAT TIME) and Z went on to a 15 yr solid NHL career. WORST DEAL EVER.
Zhitnik scored 364 points after the deal to Bouchers 277. Fuhr went on to play very well for St.Louis. IMO is was a fair trade. WORST DEAL EVER? For LA or in hockey history?

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W T F ?

In what way, shape or form was that a good deal for LA? Fuhr was a complete disaster for the Kings ( not to mention that the Kings DIDN'T NEED A GOALIE AT THAT TIME) and Z went on to a 15 yr solid NHL career. WORST DEAL EVER.
According to your way of thinking wasn't the Blake deal much worse?

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