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03-24-2004, 10:46 PM
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Pitkanen, Liles, Martin, Hamuis. There is a nice group of young D coming in. Zidlicky is 26, so I cant put him in this group so much. But he has still been very impressive.

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You could make the argument against Liles that he has 13 of his 31 points on the PP. While other rookies aren't on it and still have good point totals. Nothing as JM Liles, I think hes been great, but I think I would have to go with Bergeron. He looks like hes been playing NHL hockey for years.

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1) Liles
2) Pitkanen
3) Hamhuis
4) Martin
5) Preissing

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03-24-2004, 11:59 PM
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1) Orpik
2) Orpik
3) Orpik
4) Orpik
5) Orpik

I've been saying it since he was a prospect and after his amazing rookie season it's turning to be true, Orpik is going to be this generation's Teppo Numminen. Their styles are nothing the same, but Numminen has been one of the league's most underrated players for a good 10 years now, Orpik never got the love he deserved as a prospect, and he's definitely not getting it as a NHLer right now.

Orpik, honestly, is already one of the best defensive defenseman in the league, but he doesn't have the offense to get recognized.

Which confuses the hell out of me since Darius Kasparaitis was so damn overrated ever since he came here and Orpik is five times the player on offense and a hundred times the player on defense...

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03-25-2004, 12:04 AM
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Pitkanen IMO has been the best.

I' also like to say, even though he has not been the best, Gleason's played pretty good for the Kings.

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03-25-2004, 12:08 AM
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03-25-2004, 12:09 AM
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1) Orpik
2) Orpik
3) Orpik
4) Orpik
5) Orpik

I've been saying it since he was a prospect and after his amazing rookie season it's turning to be true, Orpik is going to be this generation's Teppo Numminen. Their styles are nothing the same, but Numminen has been one of the league's most underrated players for a good 10 years now, Orpik never got the love he deserved as a prospect, and he's definitely not getting it as a NHLer right now.

Orpik, honestly, is already one of the best defensive defenseman in the league, but he doesn't have the offense to get recognized.

Which confuses the hell out of me since Darius Kasparaitis was so damn overrated ever since he came here and Orpik is five times the player on offense and a hundred times the player on defense...
I havent watched him much. Do you think he has the potential to be as good as Foote?

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03-25-2004, 12:17 AM
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1) Orpik
2) Orpik
3) Orpik
4) Orpik
5) Orpik

I've been saying it since he was a prospect and after his amazing rookie season it's turning to be true, Orpik is going to be this generation's Teppo Numminen. Their styles are nothing the same, but Numminen has been one of the league's most underrated players for a good 10 years now, Orpik never got the love he deserved as a prospect, and he's definitely not getting it as a NHLer right now.

Orpik, honestly, is already one of the best defensive defenseman in the league, but he doesn't have the offense to get recognized.

Which confuses the hell out of me since Darius Kasparaitis was so damn overrated ever since he came here and Orpik is five times the player on offense and a hundred times the player on defense...


I agree with everything you just said.
It seems like everytime one of us mention a Pens player in one of these posts, they get no respect whatsoever because they play for The Pens.
Let me tell you, what alot of these posters don't understand is that The Pens aren't a bad team, they are a very young TALENTED team chocked full of future studs like Malone, Orpik, Kraft, Koltsov, Kostopolus, Jackman, etc..
Plus they have a slew of top notch prospects.
In 2 0r 3 years they'll be a perrenial playoff contender once again.

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03-25-2004, 12:27 AM
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Dan Hamhuis has been really solid for a rookie.

I don't look into numbers when discussing a Dmans value, as far as goals and such. Maybe +/- would be a better stat for comparison.

Anyway Hamuis has a bruising hipcheck and his best play of the season was his blast past Cujo in a 1-0 win over the Wings.

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03-25-2004, 12:34 AM
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I think Hamhuis, Liles, or Pitkanen are clearly the best 3 at this point of their careers. Liles has made both Skoula and Derek Morris expendable. Piktanen has really helped the Flyers PP, but is still not used in all situations.......seems to be a PP specialist right now (which is perfectly fine for a rookie with his skill). Hamhuis probably has the best overall game, but he has also been exposed more due to his bad on ice partners. His mistakes, IMO, have been more noticeable, but he has clearly developed all year long into a very strong defensemen (his TOI right now is scary.......). All three players have continued to get better as the year has went on.

Here is how I would rank them:

Physicality:

1. Hamhuis
2. Pitkanen
3. Liles

Offense

1a. Liles
1b. Pitkanen
2. Hamhuis

Defensively

1. Hamhuis
2. Liles
3. Pitkanen

OA

Couldn't put one ahead of the other. Pitkanen has amazing offensive instincts, but so does Liles. Joni is a bit bigger than the 5'11 Liles, though, and younger. Hamhuis is probably better defensively and physically, but he has not reached the offensive excellence (although close) of that of Liles and Pitkanen.

Hope that doesn't appear biased. Like I said, I think all three have had simply great years.....If I had to pick, I would choose Hamhuis simply because of how important he is to the Preds blueline..... (I am a Pred fan though, so take it with a grain of salt )

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Not bad. Pitkanen, offensively is clearly the best, IMO, though.

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Not bad. Pitkanen, offensively is clearly the best, IMO, though.
definetly clearly....

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03-25-2004, 01:09 AM
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Can't overlook Bergeron in Edmonton.

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03-25-2004, 01:21 AM
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Hamhuis by a mile. A rookie is the teams #2 d-man and they make the playoffs?

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03-25-2004, 01:50 AM
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Liles and Bergeron are both 24 this year. Both are really small as well. Pretty much offensive specialists. Orpik will be 24 as well. Martin and Preissing are in the same range. When guys arrive in the NHL at that point, it figures they will look better than the younger guys. Pitkanen and Hamhuis have been the most impressive of the younger guys. I think that Mike Komisarek will be the best of the bunch in the long run. He outplayed Hamhuis by a considerable margin in the AHL last year when they were both rookies, but he can't get playing time in Montreal with Brisebois, Quintal and Rivet ahead of him on the right side of the defence.

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Komisarek? Heh, the guy has been miserable from what I've seen of him.

My pick is JM Liles. I've seen all these guys play (except Martin, only seen one game but it wasn't much), and I think Liles is not only the best now, but I think he'll be one of the best of this group down the road too.

Points aside, if you watch the games, Liles has by far and away the best offensive instincts of all of these guys. Some of the passes he makes are the kinds you only see from savvy veterans like Lidstrom and Zubov. Yet he's not just a playmaker either.

The real downfall for Liles is his size. However, I think the offensive ability gives him the edge here.

Hamhuis to me has been #2, then guys like Pitkanen, Martin, Orpik, and Bergeron.

Zidlicky has been clearly the best if you're including him though!

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I just have to mention the HUGE open ice hit Orpik layed on Holik AND another ranger (couldnt see who, to many bodies flying)... he layed out 2 rangers in one open ice hit, which led to the Pens scoring again... opposing players already know they need to look out for this kid

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In the long run I think Fedor Tjutin will be the best of all rookie defensemen. After being called up by the Rangers he has led all Rangers players in ice time and has been extremely impressive doing so.

So Tjutin is my pick.

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You mean this season.
The Penguins are the #1 PP this year.
Try 7th.

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I could be wrong but I think Hamhuis logs more ice then any other rookie in the league plus gets less PP time then either Liles or Pitkanen

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Christian Bäckman have done a relly good season. If St Louis misses the playoffs we could se him play for Sweden in the World Champs.

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Liles has the most points, Pitkanen is going to be an offensive star, and Hamuis is just plain dependable. I'm split between Liles and Pitkanen. Pitkanen will be a beast in the future. I have to mention M-A Bergeron in here though, as his 22 pts in 48 games is pretty impressive (Liles has 31 in 76, Pitkanen 25 in 67, and Hamuis 23 in 75). He is also plus 12 (compared in same order: +4, +15, -14). Keep in mind Bergeron plays in Edmonton, so he has Brewer, Smith, and Ulanov sucking up big minutes. I honestly think M-A will be the best all-round of anyone I've listed here, but probably won't have the star quality of the group.

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I could be wrong but I think Hamhuis logs more ice then any other rookie in the league plus gets less PP time then either Liles or Pitkanen
He's only played in 33 games, but Josef Boumedenne leads in ice time. He's another one who is going be very impressive. Good group this year.

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Liles has the most points, Pitkanen is going to be an offensive star, and Hamuis is just plain dependable. I'm split between Liles and Pitkanen. Pitkanen will be a beast in the future. I have to mention M-A Bergeron in here though, as his 22 pts in 48 games is pretty impressive (Liles has 31 in 76, Pitkanen 25 in 67, and Hamuis 23 in 75). He is also plus 12 (compared in same order: +4, +15, -14). Keep in mind Bergeron plays in Edmonton, so he has Brewer, Smith, and Ulanov sucking up big minutes. I honestly think M-A will be the best all-round of anyone I've listed here, but probably won't have the star quality of the group.
You think Bergeron will be better all around than Hamhuis and Pitkanen?
One limiting factor might be Bergeron's height. All 3 are close in their current weight, but Pitkanen is likely to add some down the road. Having a larger frame is certainly beneficial, even some 2 inches (Hamhuis' 6'0 vs. Bergeron's 5'10).
I think Bergeron might have other shortcomings, besides his lack of size, one being defensive zone coverage. I just don't see Bergeron as smooth all-around, top two d-man.

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