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Kessel to Colorado for 3rd overall in 2009

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06-03-2009, 04:56 PM
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People comparing anyone in this draft class to Ovechkin, Crosby or Malkin should pinch themselves because they are dreaming. All 3 of them are generational talents and that doesn't mean every #1 overall will come even close to that. Kessel is the caliber of player that you hope Duchene will become. A 21 year old capable of scoring 40 goals in a full season is an incredibly valuable comodity. Now, that doesn't mean you automatically should do the trade. Kessel is due for a raise (Which is the only reason boston wants to trade him) and if the Avs can't afford him that's one thing, but to say that he's a sure thing...

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06-03-2009, 05:01 PM
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Avs have cap trouble, so they're not moving this pick for someone whos asking for a raise.

A terrible rumour. Sure, the basis as far as player for player is decent for both sides, but the minor details will prevent this type of thing from going down.

Plus with the pending retirement of Joe, the Avs need another great 1-2 punch down the middle...Duchene is that guy along with Stastny.

Phil Kessel is a center as well.. I cant believe you'd rather Duchene over Kessel.. Kessel will put up 40 goals next year if not more, whereas Duchene will take at least 2 years to start having an impact, and 3 or 4 to start realizing his full potential. I hear you as far as the cap issues go, Kessel will probably get a 2-3 year deal worth somewhere in the 4-5 million range, but if they were to trade a player like Hannan or Svatos like I mentioned in my other post, would it not free up enough room? I really don't know their cap situation, let me know what it is.

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06-03-2009, 05:03 PM
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People comparing anyone in this draft class to Ovechkin, Crosby or Malkin should pinch themselves because they are dreaming. All 3 of them are generational talents and that doesn't mean every #1 overall will come even close to that. Kessel is the caliber of player that you hope Duchene will become. A 21 year old capable of scoring 40 goals in a full season is an incredibly valuable comodity. Now, that doesn't mean you automatically should do the trade. Kessel is due for a raise (Which is the only reason boston wants to trade him) and if the Avs can't afford him that's one thing, but to say that he's a sure thing...

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06-03-2009, 05:11 PM
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Kessel with the forward group in Colorado would be pretty sick

I imagine Sakic calls it quits this year so their is the money

PLUS I bet Hejduk is moved to shake things up. Thats 4 million and someone will take him

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Kessel with the forward group in Colorado would be pretty sick

I imagine Sakic calls it quits this year so their is the money
no, we're still screwed cap wise this year even if sakic calls it quits

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06-03-2009, 05:14 PM
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no, we're still screwed cap wise this year even if sakic calls it quits
I just edited my post cause i'm a geek

How about moving Hejduk. 1 year left and the Avs need to shake things up and clear space

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06-03-2009, 05:15 PM
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Phil Kessel is a center as well.. I cant believe you'd rather Duchene over Kessel.. Kessel will put up 40 goals next year if not more, whereas Duchene will take at least 2 years to start having an impact, and 3 or 4 to start realizing his full potential. I hear you as far as the cap issues go, Kessel will probably get a 2-3 year deal worth somewhere in the 4-5 million range, but if they were to trade a player like Hannan or Svatos like I mentioned in my other post, would it not free up enough room? I really don't know their cap situation, let me know what it is.
The basics are that the Avs are almost right up against the cap as it is...and are still in need of a couple goalies and a couple forwards...plus the fact that the cap is set to go down in the next couple of years, so that doesnt help either.

As for Kessel, like i said before, he's a great talent. He's got great speed, hands, dangles and is clutch, but Duchene is a potential franchise player. Kessel isn't. If Duchene could one day be a 30ish goal man, 75+ points and a solid two way game, i'd take that over a flashy 40ish goal scorer any day. That's my opinion, agree or not.

Right now the Avs are trying to rebuild, they need stability, and at this point i think if he pans out, Duchene has more potential to carry a team than Kessel ever will.

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06-03-2009, 05:16 PM
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I just edited my post cause i'm a geek

How about moving Hejduk. 1 year left and the Avs need to shake things up and clear space
pretty sure Hejduk doesn't want to leave Denver (and has a NTC)

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Kessel with the forward group in Colorado would be pretty sick

I imagine Sakic calls it quits this year so their is the money

PLUS I bet Hejduk is moved to shake things up.
Thats 4 million and someone will take him
I'll take the 3rd overall pick and Hejduk's 59 points playing with centers like Wolski and Galiadi over Kessel's 60 points playing with one of the best play making centers in the NHL.

If he comes to Colorado, his production is going to drop. Big time. Stastny, assuming he stays healthy and is paired with Kessel, still isn't Savard.

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Kessel with the forward group in Colorado would be pretty sick

I imagine Sakic calls it quits this year so their is the money

PLUS I bet Hejduk is moved to shake things up. Thats 4 million and someone will take him
Hejduk has a NTC and is comfortable in Colorado.

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06-03-2009, 05:28 PM
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The basics are that the Avs are almost right up against the cap as it is...and are still in need of a couple goalies and a couple forwards...plus the fact that the cap is set to go down in the next couple of years, so that doesnt help either.

As for Kessel, like i said before, he's a great talent. He's got great speed, hands, dangles and is clutch, but Duchene is a potential franchise player. Kessel isn't. If Duchene could one day be a 30ish goal man, 75+ points and a solid two way game, i'd take that over a flashy 40ish goal scorer any day. That's my opinion, agree or not.

Right now the Avs are trying to rebuild, they need stability, and at this point i think if he pans out, Duchene has more potential to carry a team than Kessel ever will.
I have to disagree, I think Kessel could be the face of a franchise. He's still young keep in mind, as the years go on I think he will gain some leadership qualities. I also believe he has the potential to be a 90 point player. But anyways, you have your opinion I have mine.

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Matt Duchene>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil Kessel

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06-03-2009, 05:33 PM
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Matt Duchene>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil Kessel

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If they trade the 3rd overall for anything other than a goalie or a Dman I will be really upset. It would really make, what was already a tough season, even worse. These aren't the Avs of old anymore, they can't just trade picks like they grow on trees. For once I want this team to just have draft! And yes I am pleading because I could see this team trading the pick!

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Matt Duchene>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil Kessel
MD has the potential to be better then Kessel, but until he scores 30 goals in the NHL it's pretty tought to say that now. Not sure what COL should do, do you swing for the fences with MD or go for the solid double in Kessel.

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Colorado can not afford Kessel. It is that simple. Even if Sakic retires they still don't have enough money to sign Kessel. Hejduk, Foote, and Smyth would probably all refuse to waive their NTC's since they like it in Colorado. They won't get Liles to since they just resigned him and he is arguably our best Defenseman. So it comes down to getting rid of players like Wolski, Svatos, Clark, Salei, and Hannan.

I would assume Boston couldn't afford to take Hannan or 2 of the others because if they could then they would have enough to resign Kessel.

Colorado will keep the pick, they feel Duchene is the the real deal and he will be signed to an ELC which they can afford for now.

I don't see them as good trading partners, they are both in some cap dificulties. Unless it is a minor swap or low contract players, I truthfully can't see them making a deal. They are both in to much of cap troubles to afford to take on any large contracts or people demanding raises.

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People comparing anyone in this draft class to Ovechkin, Crosby or Malkin should pinch themselves because they are dreaming. All 3 of them are generational talents and that doesn't mean every #1 overall will come even close to that. Kessel is the caliber of player that you hope Duchene will become. A 21 year old capable of scoring 40 goals in a full season is an incredibly valuable comodity. Now, that doesn't mean you automatically should do the trade. Kessel is due for a raise (Which is the only reason boston wants to trade him) and if the Avs can't afford him that's one thing, but to say that he's a sure thing...
How can all three be generational talent? A generational talent is someone who is the best in their generation (~10-15 years). There can't be three generational talents in one generation.

Colorado only does this if they can send salary back or have an agreement in principle with Kessel.

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Matt Duchene>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil Kessel
Only at HF - where guys with potential are worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than 21 YO's who are actually producing at an incredibly high level ALREADY.

And I think that Duchesne is going to be a very good player. Of course, at draft time I thought that Paul Mara and Brad Struart were both going to be #1 d-men as well! People seem to forget that a bunch of highly drafted players didn't start out as busts - people were REALLY excited to draft them early in the 1st round. I'm not saying that Duchesne is going to be a bust, but odds are that at least one (if not two or more) of the top 7 in this years draft aren't going to justify all the pre-draft hype.

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No, sorry, this just doesn't make sense. Even if they were to flip the 3rd for a defenseman, they'd be giving it to a team that needs a guy like Duchene, and if they need Duchene they need Kessel.

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sounds like a fair trade IMO, but there is one media you cant trust more than the toronto media, and thats the french media..

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I hate how everyone says "people overrate draft picks". Guess what morons, where in the hell do you think the rest of these good players came from?

If 3rd overall draft picks weren't worth a very high value, then why would Boston be rumored to trading their 21 year old 40 goal scorer for it?

This whole thread is Avs fans trying to say we want our franchise center, while Boston fans try to shove down our throat how awesome Kessel is. We get it. He's an awesome #1 RW. But we (mostly) still want our center with a higher ceiling. Colorado is where it is right now because they've traded away their first round pick so many times (to be exact, Colorado has traded their first round pick away 4 times since winning the 2001 cup).

So, no.
Finally, I was waiting for some Colorado fans to get in on this. I was stunned by the amount of people who would pull the trigger on a Duchene for Kessel deal.

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Only at HF - where guys with potential are worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than 21 YO's who are actually producing at an incredibly high level ALREADY.
Forget the rest of what you said, only at HF is anything worth that many >'s more than something else.

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Just a thought here:


Boston really is low on the defensive depth within the organization and have drafted forwards recently in the first round (Colborne, Hamill, Kessel) as well as found good forwards in Lucic, Wheeler, and Krejci.
It would make sense to me that if this deal were to occur as is, the Bruins would trade the 3rd overall, the 25th overall, and whatever else they would need to Tampa for the 2nd overall pick and draft Hedman. Would make alot of sense.

Just some armchair GMing.

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How can all three be generational talent? A generational talent is someone who is the best in their generation (~10-15 years). There can't be three generational talents in one generation.

Colorado only does this if they can send salary back or have an agreement in principle with Kessel.
Generational talent means someone who is a step above what is considered elite in the league. Hossa, Heatley, Spezza, Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Carter, Parise... all these players are elite. None of them are generational.

By your incredibly literal definition of the term, one of Gretzky and Lemieux was not a generational talent. Mind telling me which one?

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Matt Duchene>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil Kessel
Unproven 17 year old rookie>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>36 goal scoring 21 year old?

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