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06-05-2009, 02:39 PM
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Hello Hawk's fans

Do you think that Cam Barker will resing with the hawk's? how much he worth for you?

a 3 Year 9M deal?

look like a complete defenseman

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Hello Hawk's fans

Do you think that Cam Barker will resing with the hawk's? how much he worth for you?

a 3 Year 9M deal?

look like a complete defenseman
I wouldn't call him a complete defensemen. I think your gonna see the price of RFA's go down this off-season since so many teams are cap-****ed. Maybe $2 million a year.

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I think 3/9 is bang on for barker

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Hello Hawk's fans

Do you think that Cam Barker will resing with the hawk's? how much he worth for you?

a 3 Year 9M deal?

look like a complete defenseman
They may trade him. As of now he's #5 on the depth chart and I don't know if they want to pay that much for a #5 d-man.

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I wouldn't call him a complete defensemen. I think your gonna see the price of RFA's go down this off-season since so many teams are cap-****ed. Maybe $2 million a year.
Agreed on both points. He's slow and makes bad decisions with the puck from time to time. He just started to find his physical game this season.

I also think you're going to the price of both UFA's and RFA's come down this year. They have to.

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They may trade him. As of now he's #5 on the depth chart and I don't know if they want to pay that much for a #5 d-man.





What would it take for Boston to get Barker?

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What would it take for Boston to get Barker?
Krejci.

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Most speculation puts Barker on the move at the draft

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Krejci.
For a #5 dman??

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Seriously, IMO Barker is gonna be one of the trades you will regret and he will come back to haunt you. He's underrated because you expect more from a top 5 pick. Trade him, wait three years and start sobbing about he was garbage then, and a top 10 (in the league now).
Patience!!!

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I would agree though it depends on what the Hawks get back in return and where that player ends up in 3 years.

I know we were heavy on the D side of things and needed another center but I thought Wiz brought a lot to the locker room and is the same thing given 2 years he will emerge as a big time Dman for the Ducks or whoever. Despite Pahlsson helping to develop Buff it is tough to swallow for me if Sami is on the move for next season.

The comment about Barker being on the block comes from a couple different articles that put him out there as a draft day deal.

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Seriously, IMO Barker is gonna be one of the trades you will regret and he will come back to haunt you. He's underrated because you expect more from a top 5 pick. Trade him, wait three years and start sobbing about he was garbage then, and a top 10 (in the league now).
Patience!!!
EXACTLY!!!

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would Hawk fans consider him a core player.

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Krejci.
LOL, that's Flapjack bad.

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LOL, that's Flapjack bad.
I don't see how. He was a 3rd overall pick, you know. What do you think it would take to acquire Bogosian from Atlanta?

2008-09 regular season PP Points / 60 (minimum 50 gp, 1 min/60 TOI):

http://www.behindthenet.ca/2008/5_on...0.5&team=&pos=

2008-09 regular season PP completion % (by team)

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Do you think this is a coincidence?

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would Hawk fans consider him a core player.
definitely... and lets just hope that dale is wise enough to see the same

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Here's some interesting food for thought on barker. I looked back to see who we could have had in that draft year and found this:

http://www.forecaster.ca/hockeynews/...DraftID=4#4498

the interesting part was this... "It'll be a few years before they'll know whether or not taking Barker at No. 3--instead of a scoring forward such as Lauri Tukonen or Andrew Ladd--will come back to haunt the 'Hawks."

Oddly enough we ended up w/Ladd as well, even though he ended up to be a bust. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But you don't draft checking line players at 4th overall. He was supposed to be an impact physical presence and a guy with a nose for the net... which he clearly is not.

But if you look back at that draft, it's amazing how HUGE the dropoff was from 1 and 2 to the rest of the field. And we were put in that terrible spot of 3rd overall where there was pretty much no one to take. Overall, that draft had only about 4-5 guys who have turned out to be good outside of geno and ovie, but none of those guys other than barker were considered top 5 picks at the time. It's interesting too if you go read about wheeler, at that time he was considered a huge stretch at being taken 5th overall that year.

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would Hawk fans consider him a core player.
IMO, no but its tough to pick either way. He's a number #5 d-man on the Hawks as of now. He has a nice shot thats often misses the net and some PP skills. He is however a slow skater, turnover prown and not as physical as you would think given his size.

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Here's some interesting food for thought on barker. I looked back to see who we could have had in that draft year and found this:

http://www.forecaster.ca/hockeynews/...DraftID=4#4498

the interesting part was this... "It'll be a few years before they'll know whether or not taking Barker at No. 3--instead of a scoring forward such as Lauri Tukonen or Andrew Ladd--will come back to haunt the 'Hawks."

Oddly enough we ended up w/Ladd as well, even though he ended up to be a bust. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But you don't draft checking line players at 4th overall. He was supposed to be an impact physical presence and a guy with a nose for the net... which he clearly is not.

But if you look back at that draft, it's amazing how HUGE the dropoff was from 1 and 2 to the rest of the field. And we were put in that terrible spot of 3rd overall where there was pretty much no one to take. Overall, that draft had only about 4-5 guys who have turned out to be good outside of geno and ovie, but none of those guys other than barker were considered top 5 picks at the time. It's interesting too if you go read about wheeler, at that time he was considered a huge stretch at being taken 5th overall that year.
That was a two player draft and we picked third.

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He has a nice shot thats often misses the net and some PP skills.
First, he never misses the net. He has one of the most accurate shots from the point that I have ever seen . Second, "some PP skills" is a massive understatement; he was the third best PP producer in the league last year.

#5 at even strength and #1 with the man advantage averages out a bit higher. The Hawks' D is set up a bit differently than most as our top ES pairing is our #2 PP pairing and our #1 PP pairing is our #3 and #5 guys. I'd consider all of the four guys mentioned here as core players.

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Here's some interesting food for thought on barker. I looked back to see who we could have had in that draft year and found this:

http://www.forecaster.ca/hockeynews/...DraftID=4#4498

the interesting part was this... "It'll be a few years before they'll know whether or not taking Barker at No. 3--instead of a scoring forward such as Lauri Tukonen or Andrew Ladd--will come back to haunt the 'Hawks."

Oddly enough we ended up w/Ladd as well, even though he ended up to be a bust. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But you don't draft checking line players at 4th overall. He was supposed to be an impact physical presence and a guy with a nose for the net... which he clearly is not.

But if you look back at that draft, it's amazing how HUGE the dropoff was from 1 and 2 to the rest of the field. And we were put in that terrible spot of 3rd overall where there was pretty much no one to take. Overall, that draft had only about 4-5 guys who have turned out to be good outside of geno and ovie, but none of those guys other than barker were considered top 5 picks at the time. It's interesting too if you go read about wheeler, at that time he was considered a huge stretch at being taken 5th overall that year.
Hm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Franzen or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Krejci?

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yea, what is your point? mike green, wolski, stafford, zajac... bolland!

All of those guys could be considered a better pick in that draft than bark was. But at the time, none of them were considered top 5 picks. If you are picking 3rd overall, you can't pick a guy that isn't even projected as a 1st round pick.

So let me say that again... what is your point?

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yea, what is your point? mike green, wolski, stafford, zajac... bolland!

All of those guys could be considered a better pick in that draft than bark was. But at the time, none of them were considered top 5 picks. If you are picking 3rd overall, you can't pick a guy that isn't even projected as a 1st round pick.

So let me say that again... what is your point?
My point is there were good players on that draft. They weren't just too obvious (aside from 1 and 2 of course)...

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Seriously, IMO Barker is gonna be one of the trades you will regret and he will come back to haunt you. He's underrated because you expect more from a top 5 pick. Trade him, wait three years and start sobbing about he was garbage then, and a top 10 (in the league now).
Patience!!!

Sorry-but the NHL is about results =NOW! Tallon+Q willbe on short leashes for any slippage from 104 pts and 4th...If you are still giving Barker the YEWT excuse for 2 ,3 4 more years-I doubr Tallon and Q willbe around to see him win a Cup...

$3million per for a 5th d-mam+pp specialist is unaffordable to the cap..

I'd rather they trade him and sign Odya (UFA) for $2-2.25 per year..tke the $$$ saved and apply elsewhere.Even if barkersigns in that area of cap ($2-2.5 mil per) I'd ratherhave +21 than -6 even if Barker has 55 pts in a full season to Oduya's 29 (but i suspect he'd have more in CHI so I doubt the points gap would be that large-still making up 27 +/- differential is staggering and Oduya can also be used on the PK...The money is better used on a guy like Oduya thanastill learning on the job Barker. MAYBE when Barker is 26-27--but that is 5-6 years still to go.I can't be patient--sorry.

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First, he never misses the net. He has one of the most accurate shots from the point that I have ever seen . Second, "some PP skills" is a massive understatement; he was the third best PP producer in the league last year.

#5 at even strength and #1 with the man advantage averages out a bit higher. The Hawks' D is set up a bit differently than most as our top ES pairing is our #2 PP pairing and our #1 PP pairing is our #3 and #5 guys. I'd consider all of the four guys mentioned here as core players.
He misses A LOT. You need to adjust your TV. Also he gets a ton of shots blocked because he has a 3 second windup on every shot he takes. No it is not a massive understatement because he has some PP skills. He isn't the greatest d-man I've ever seen on the PP. He can't move the puck up the ice and he is a turnover machine. He is a solid player with an even greater potential but its all about the money. He also is awful 5 on 5 and that is also part of the game. He was a -6 on a very good team despite all his PP success.

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