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06-16-2009, 05:01 PM
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He misses A LOT. You need to adjust your TV. Also he gets a ton of shots blocked because he has a 3 second windup on every shot he takes.
I think you might be confused: we're talking about Barker, not Wisniewski. Everything you say might be true but it's less true for Barker than every other d-man on the team.

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06-16-2009, 07:07 PM
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He was a -6 on a very good team despite all his PP success.
You know that powerplay points don't affect a player's + - rating right?

Also, he was playing with Matt Walker for a good portion of the year. That has to be factored into his + - rating. -6 isn't that bad anyways.

Barker will only get better. Let's pay the kid and keep him around for a long time.

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You know that powerplay points don't affect a player's + - rating right?
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Actually, yes. That was an error. lol

Also I am for keeping him but it depends on what he wants money wise.

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06-16-2009, 09:04 PM
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Actually, yes. That was an error. lol

Also I am for keeping him but it depends on what he wants money wise.
I really don't think that he's going to require as much money as you guys are talking about. the majority of his money for the past few years was all in bonuses, and I don't think that he will be able to get more than that total in his new contract.

What I think will end up happening will that they won't sign him til after the 1st, in hopes that some team will offer him a large contract that we won't have to match. That way we will get some decent compensation for him.

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06-19-2009, 05:55 PM
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They may trade him. As of now he's #5 on the depth chart and I don't know if they want to pay that much for a #5 d-man.
If he's available, Phoenix could be a destination. The Yotes would have young players, prospects and high draft choices to offer up.

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06-19-2009, 08:18 PM
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I really don't think that he's going to require as much money as you guys are talking about. the majority of his money for the past few years was all in bonuses, and I don't think that he will be able to get more than that total in his new contract.

What I think will end up happening will that they won't sign him til after the 1st, in hopes that some team will offer him a large contract that we won't have to match. That way we will get some decent compensation for him.
You may be correct on both but will see.

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If he's available, Phoenix could be a destination. The Yotes would have young players, prospects and high draft choices to offer up.
I don't know that he is available but it has been talked about amongst bloggers/fans/press. Also when you actually look over the roster and break everything down both presently and towards the future from a financial aspect it makes sense and would not shock me.

Put it like this, I strongly believe the Hawks will be making a few trades this offseason and a couple signings of probably some mid level guys.

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06-20-2009, 07:48 AM
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He misses A LOT. You need to adjust your TV. Also he gets a ton of shots blocked because he has a 3 second windup on every shot he takes. No it is not a massive understatement because he has some PP skills. He isn't the greatest d-man I've ever seen on the PP. He can't move the puck up the ice and he is a turnover machine. He is a solid player with an even greater potential but its all about the money. He also is awful 5 on 5 and that is also part of the game. He was a -6 on a very good team despite all his PP success.
You don't get a plus on a pp goal.

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You don't get a plus on a pp goal.
Yes I know which makes my point even more valid.

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Yes I know which makes my point even more valid.
Considering he plays with Matt Walker, -6 isn't bad at all.

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You have to keep Barker, he will develop into something special. I see Barker in our top 4 next year (Seabrook, Keith, Campbell..UGH!!!, and Barker).

Why trade a player like Barker, when in 3 or 4 years we will need a dman just like him??

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06-22-2009, 03:33 PM
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You have to keep Barker, he will develop into something special. I see Barker in our top 4 next year (Seabrook, Keith, Campbell..UGH!!!, and Barker).

Why trade a player like Barker, when in 3 or 4 years we will need a dman just like him??
Because he was the third overall pick, and he hasn't won the Norris yet!!!

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06-22-2009, 03:37 PM
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Yes I know which makes my point even more valid.
How does that make your point more valid? And if you know, why did you post the original?

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How does that make your point more valid? And if you know, why did you post the original?
Quit ragging on the guy. He made a mistake and acknowledged it.

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that we will resign Barker. Our depth at defense isn't close to what we have at wings. If we have any of our players taken via offer sheet, it will be Versteeg or Brouwer.


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06-25-2009, 02:18 PM
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You can't deny Barker is SLOW -he also is SLOW in processing /reacting to the play...he is a flawed player...he is alsao passionless with his "calm" style...there is plenty to dislike in his game...You can hope more experience teacheshimbetter positioning and "reading" the play defensively -but whether he has the speed to get therte is another question... Offensively,he is good from the point on the PP --so that helps his case a lot...still he is not good enough to play top 2 pair minutes -there are severe limits to his ES effectiveness...but the points he uts up as a result of the Pp cause potential CAP overpay problems. CAN you pay a 5th top 4 D-man noney? THAT is the issiue..Is he worth $3million a year TODAY given his defensive shortcomings? If a 5th d-man merits $3mil a year--your CAP is out of hand.

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You can't deny Barker is SLOW -he also is SLOW in processing /reacting to the play...he is a flawed player...he is alsao passionless with his "calm" style...there is plenty to dislike in his game...You can hope more experience teacheshimbetter positioning and "reading" the play defensively -but whether he has the speed to get therte is another question... Offensively,he is good from the point on the PP --so that helps his case a lot...still he is not good enough to play top 2 pair minutes -there are severe limits to his ES effectiveness...but the points he uts up as a result of the Pp cause potential CAP overpay problems. CAN you pay a 5th top 4 D-man noney? THAT is the issiue..Is he worth $3million a year TODAY given his defensive shortcomings? If a 5th d-man merits $3mil a year--your CAP is out of hand.
I can deny that, I have played against Barker in a shinny game and he's very fast!!
I'm 56 years old (I'm almost as fast as his Dad though)

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07-01-2009, 03:12 AM
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You have to keep Barker, he will develop into something special. I see Barker in our top 4 next year (Seabrook, Keith, Campbell..UGH!!!, and Barker).

Why trade a player like Barker, when in 3 or 4 years we will need a dman just like him??
This. He is still young and he has room to improve and has improved every year. The Hawks have shown some patience with him while he has developed and it would be stupid to trade him now unless the deal was outrageously good.

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07-02-2009, 02:39 AM
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Anyone know who Barker's agent is? Same with Versteeg.

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This. He is still young and he has room to improve and has improved every year. The Hawks have shown some patience with him while he has developed and it would be stupid to trade him now unless the deal was outrageously good.
EXACTLY. For those of you who didn't know, the Hawks were looking at moving Campbell last year, just considering it, because of Barker. Cam is going to be a really good #2 or a pretty good #1 dman.

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meh, you guys can wait around for Barker to develop into a top pairing guy, I don't think its going to happen. We'll see, but Barker would be the first d-man of Seabrook, Keith, Hjammer, and Barker that I would move. I have a hunch that the Hawk's FO agrees with me on that.

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I would say Sopel, Campbell and especially Barker are trade or release candidates.

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Ducks fan here, what would you seriously demand for Barker. I would like him taking over Beauchemins spot

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We need to keep Barker around at least for a few years. His big shot on the PP is a valuable asset.

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