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06-07-2009, 01:15 PM
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Briere to LA?

This off season stuff is fun. Saw a bit of this in a few posts.

Briere and 1st in 09

JJ

His contract is 1. something less than Vinny's and we don't give up much. Where is Philly picking this year?

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06-07-2009, 01:17 PM
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i knew it's coming since some poster posted it in the rumors.

I don't see that advantage in Briere to help Philly out to build an great team.

They are 6 Mill over the the cap.
Why the Hell are we giving away a top 4 defender to a desperate team ???
Even if we do that what do you expect from Briere ???

An undersized injurie prone guys for 8 mill $ ???????

The Flyers would be rolling on the floor because of laughing if we take that guy out of theur hands.
For the case we put JJ on top they build a monument for the Lombardi in Philadephia

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06-07-2009, 01:19 PM
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If Johnson was really the only piece being moved and we got Briere AND their first round pick?

I'll do that trade several times over.

I've always liked Briere. Talk about a competitor.

And if we got Briere, all those sad to see Cammy go can be reassured, there is still an undersized scorer on the team

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i knew it's coming since some poster posted it in the rumors.

I don't see that advantage in Briere to help Philly out to build an great team.

They are 6 Mill over the the cap.
Why the Hell are we giving away a top 4 defender to a desperate team ???
Even if we do that what do you expect from Briere ???

An undersized injurie prone guys for 8 mill $ ???????

The Flyers would be rolling on the floor because of laughing if we take that guy out of theur hands.
For the case we put JJ on top they build a monument for the Lombardi in Philadephia
To take some pressure of Kopi, and work hard. I just don't see JJ signing here. So I would rather get something for him. Another first in a deep draft and a pretty good center. I think someone will tender JJ a offer sheet. So this all could be very interesting. Not so sure about 15 mill down the middle though. How long is Briere contract.

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Ehh, IDK. I would just really like to keep JJ. But, that's just me.

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How long is Briere contract.
6 more years at 6.5 mill cap hit.

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Only issue I see with it is Briere is the opposite of adding size to our top six and invisible in the defensive end something Lombardi/Murray and pressing hard on all of their guys. That said he would be a great addition, guy is an awesome player and would add some speed and skill to our top six plus another 1st rounder would be great in this draft.

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If Briere goes to LA this further suggests that Dean is a MORON!

Dean prided himself on NOT signing Briere to the contract he was signed for and frowned upon the way GM's handled Briere, Gomez and Drury. So for him to TRADE for those contracts he mocked not too long ago just shows how much BS comes out of that goofs mouth! And furthermore results in a way where Dean mocks himself, because he's even stupider (not even a word) to GIVE assets for contracts he stated were ridiculous and dumb, so he's uping the ante on being stupid but acquiring the contracts he publicly mocked and giving players/prospects (which is prides on) for the contracts he once said were outlandish.

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If Briere goes to LA this further suggests that Dean is a MORON!

Dean prided himself on NOT signing Briere to the contract he was signed for and frowned upon the way GM's handled Briere, Gomez and Drury. So for him to TRADE for those contracts he mocked not too long ago just shows how much BS comes out of that goofs mouth! And furthermore results in a way where Dean mocks himself, because he's even stupider (not even a word) to GIVE assets for contracts he stated were ridiculous and dumb, so he's uping the ante on being stupid but acquiring the contracts he publicly mocked and giving players/prospects (which is prides on) for the contracts he once said were outlandish.
I'll give you that... sort of. What he said in regards to Briere was he wasn't ready (in 2007) to give out 8 year contracts. Now that we are in the 2009 Kings, and Briere's contract is 6 years, not 8, I don't necessarily know that his words from '07 still apply.

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06-07-2009, 02:34 PM
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You're not always get centers that are 6'4" 225 lbs and immensley talented. it just isnt going to happen. Taking pressure off Kopi IS the best reason to do a deal like this, the second best reason is that Briere IS a good offensive talent (though his big year in Bufflao is a result of playing for Ruff and a bit of an anomaly) and the third is that people will want to come play with Kopitar AND Briere, especially on the PP.

Now, can he play for Terry Murray? Briere and defense do not go hand in hand.

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Only issue I see with it is Briere is the opposite of adding size to our top six and invisible in the defensive end something Lombardi/Murray and pressing hard on all of their guys. That said he would be a great addition, guy is an awesome player and would add some speed and skill to our top six plus another 1st rounder would be great in this draft.
he's also a big time winner. at every level and intl. tourney, just not a stanley cup,

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You're not always get centers that are 6'4" 225 lbs and immensley talented. it just isnt going to happen. Taking pressure off Kopi IS the best reason to do a deal like this, the second best reason is that Briere IS a good offensive talent (though his big year in Bufflao is a result of playing for Ruff and a bit of an anomaly) and the third is that people will want to come play with Kopitar AND Briere, especially on the PP.

Now, can he play for Terry Murray? Briere and defense do not go hand in hand.
Good point. Briere is definately not going to be your top PK guy. I don't know enough about him to know whether he is willing to work on that or not. I would suppose, at his age, not.

He has been mostly (or damn close to) a PPG player the last several years. If we were to dump Stoll or Zus' contracts after getting Briere though so we had space to add a top line LW to play with Kopi, Frolov-Briere-Williams/Brown is a mighty talented line. Briere is great on the puck and not afraid to dart into the traffic areas. I can see him and Fro getting along VERY well.

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Wasn't the asking price for Briere ridiculous at the deadline?

Why would it be so much less now?

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Wasn't the asking price for Briere ridiculous at the deadline?

Why would it be so much less now?

I'm not privy to whatever Holmer has up his sleeve, or if he has any easy outs here, but he's 6m over the cap going into next season. Strictly from a by the books rules situation, he's in a worse place than Tampa. Ed Snyder can afford to pay to the cap w/o problem though, (seemingly) unlike TBL.

Neither situation is worse than the other, but both need to be resolved.

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Wasn't the asking price for Briere ridiculous at the deadline?

Why would it be so much less now?
Because they want to make a run at Bouwmeester?

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Don't want, no matter the cost. Same goes for Smyth.

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Wasn't the asking price for Briere ridiculous at the deadline?

Why would it be so much less now?
Isn't Philly over on the cap, not sure.

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6 more years at 6.5 mill cap hit.
Easily bought out in 4 years though, at the age of 34.

Just spitballing here, but if you traded Johnson for Briere, and as Victory Rose has said that gets talented UFAs to consider the Kings, then what if Gaborik signed a deal that was not too long and kept us under the cap.

Gaborik - Kopitar - Williams
Frolov - Briere - Brown
Handzus - Stoll - Simmonds

That ain't bad...


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I love how people are just always NO. NO. NO. to every trade.

Like first line players just magically appear, always are in perfect shape, young, and never come at any cost.

This aint the ****ing video games, kid.

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Easily bought out in 4 years though, at the age of 34.
Damn straight. What's he make, a total of 3 million or something the last two years combined? That's assuming he isn't still a little fireball scoring 15-20 goals a season at 34, which he easily could.

While I reeeeaaaally want Vinny, I will also be happy moving forward with Kopi and Briere, especially if it means we can still get Schenn/Kane/MPS. Imagine, we get Briere, draft Schenn or Kane. Stoll or Zus gets traded. Lewis is 4th line center for duration of the remainder of Stoll or Zus' contract, then when that's up, Schenn or Kane gets brought in as 4th line center.

Kings centers:

2009
Kopi
Briere
Zus/Stoll
Lewis

2010
Same

2011
Kopi
Briere
Lewis
Zus/Stoll

2012
Kopi
Briere
Lewis
Kane/Schenn

2013 - same

2014 and beyond
Kopi
Schenn/Kane
Lewis
x

Solid plan. That's how Detroit would handle that.

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Damn straight. What's he make, a total of 3 million or something the last two years combined? That's assuming he isn't still a little fireball scoring 15-20 goals a season at 34, which he easily could.

While I reeeeaaaally want Vinny, I will also be happy moving forward with Kopi and Briere, especially if it means we can still get Schenn/Kane/MPS. Imagine, we get Briere, draft Schenn or Kane. Stoll or Zus gets traded. Lewis is 4th line center for duration of the remainder of Stoll or Zus' contract, then when that's up, Schenn or Kane gets brought in as 4th line center.

Kings centers:

2009
Kopi
Briere
Zus/Stoll
Lewis

2010
Same

2011
Kopi
Briere
Lewis
Zus/Stoll

2012
Kopi
Briere
Lewis
Kane/Schenn

2013 - same

2014 and beyond
Kopi
Schenn/Kane
Lewis
x

Solid plan. That's how Detroit would handle that.
The key for me is getting a player like this on a relativiely short term deal (4 years) and not giving up the #5 overall. Giving up the #5 should never be considered as part of the plan unless we're getting Nash or Kovalchuk in return.

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If it happened, I would see DL taking Cowen with our pick with Johnson leaving. That means no Schenn, Kane, or MSP.

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The key for me is getting a player like this on a relativiely short term deal (4 years) and not giving up the #5 overall. Giving up the #5 should never be considered as part of the plan unless we're getting Nash or Kovalchuk in return.
That's interesting because with the 5th we would most likely be getting a center. We definately need another very good center if we want to compete for the cup. Stoll will do for getting into the playoffs, but not for winning the cup. You would trade away a potential solution to the center issue for an elite winger, but not for an elite center?

I mean, I'd trade the 5th for Vinny, Nash or Kovalchuk. In fact, I'd only trade the 5th for Nash or Kovy if they came with an extension. I'd be more nervous trading it for a guy who will hit UFA soon than for a guy we know we'll have as long as we want him around.

I agree though that weighing price of contract/cost of assets/term of contract, Briere makes a lot of sense.

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All of these threads with players like Lecavalier, Smyth and Briere going to LA......don't we do this to ourselves every year?

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