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Dany Heatley asks for trade from Senators (per EJ Hradek on NHL Live)

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06-10-2009, 05:17 PM
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Eklund just said Edmonton isn't likely to happen... Buy that ticket to Edmonton now Danny.
Ek writing us off is absolute music to my ears.

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I don't like the idea of just one year of Frolov... maybe if you guys take Kelly and Smith off our hands too.

I think that Frolov can start negotiating on an extension on 7/1. It's obvious you're not going to get him at his current salary, but I don't know why he wouldn't agree to something at a "market rate" (about $5.5M I'd think). He's a legit 1st liner IMO, the Sens would probably save a couple million of cap space compared to Heatley, and add 1-2 other real nice assets.

I do agree thought that Frolov, JJ & 5th overall is a signifant overpayment on LA's part.

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06-10-2009, 05:21 PM
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It's believed the Kings are willing to put together a package that could include such assets as defenseman Jack Johnson, forward Alexander Frolov and the fifth-overall pick in this year's NHL Entry Draft.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ott090610.html
Ideal for the Sens.

Heatley pretty much did the Sens a favour by requesting a trade. Now Murray doesn't have to consider trading Spezza or Alfredsson while tip-toeing around a rebuild, while Heatley will probably give him a much bigger return. With this LA rumour, they're picking up 3 potential all-stars for the price of one. Yes please.

Couple problems:

While Frolov is approaching his peak, Johnson and the 5th overall pick are far from it. So how much better they get while Alfredsson is still available to them remains to be seen.

Frolov will demand a huge raise after next season if he's successful in Ottawa. He could leave when he doesn't get the Heatley-type money and term he'll be looking for. There's a reason why LA is putting him on the table.

Still, Johnson and the 5th overall pick will likely be a great return for Heatley in the long run. If they get something for Frolov at the 2011 deadline or manage to sign him to an affordable deal, then all the better.

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06-10-2009, 05:42 PM
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Ideal for the Sens.

Heatley pretty much did the Sens a favour by requesting a trade. Now Murray doesn't have to consider trading Spezza or Alfredsson while tip-toeing around a rebuild, while Heatley will probably give him a much bigger return. With this LA rumour, they're picking up 3 potential all-stars for the price of one. Yes please.

Couple problems:

While Frolov is approaching his peak, Johnson and the 5th overall pick are far from it. So how much better they get while Alfredsson is still available to them remains to be seen.

Frolov will demand a huge raise after next season if he's successful in Ottawa. He could leave when he doesn't get the Heatley-type money and term he'll be looking for. There's a reason why LA is putting him on the table.

Still, Johnson and the 5th overall pick will likely be a great return for Heatley in the long run. If they get something for Frolov at the 2011 deadline or manage to sign him to an affordable deal, then all the better.
Another problem is that Johnson still has to sign a new deal and may not want to play in Ottawa.

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JJ, Frolov + 5th overall?


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I swear, you guys have no grasp on reality

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06-10-2009, 06:12 PM
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You are acting as if Heatley is in the final year of his deal or about tp become a UFA July 1 and has a gun to the teams head. He doesn't. He signed a 5 year deal. So unless he doesn't wanna sit and rot he CAN'T AFFORD TO SAY NO TO ANY TRADE. He will be involved in the best trade that makes Ottawa better.
why can't he afford to say no to a trade?... Redden said no to trades and it got him another $6 million contract... if Heatley decides to only accept a trade to a team he feels can contend with him in a big role... then he will only accept trades to those teams... Heatley holds most of the chips... as long as he shows up in training camp and plays if not he loses nothing... the worst that can happen is Ottawa sends him home pending a trade... so then he gets free money... if Heatley is not traded immediately the Sens can't afford to just sit him either... how bad will it look to their fans that they are simply sitting a 50 goal scorer instead of doing something

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Heatley is going to Edmonton for a package of Gilbert + Cogliano/O'Sullivan +/- whatever. It seems like the best fit for both teams, IMO.

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JJ, Frolov + 5th overall?


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To be perfectly honest, I don't think Jack Johnson has all that much value. The guy hasn't exactly lit up the NHL and he's apparently asking for a lot of money and threatening to go to Russia.

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Heatley is going to Edmonton for a package of Gilbert + Cogliano/O'Sullivan +/- whatever. It seems like the best fit for both teams, IMO.
Not really.

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Ideal for the Sens.

Heatley pretty much did the Sens a favour by requesting a trade. Now Murray doesn't have to consider trading Spezza or Alfredsson while tip-toeing around a rebuild, while Heatley will probably give him a much bigger return. With this LA rumour, they're picking up 3 potential all-stars for the price of one. Yes please.

Couple problems:

While Frolov is approaching his peak, Johnson and the 5th overall pick are far from it. So how much better they get while Alfredsson is still available to them remains to be seen.

Frolov will demand a huge raise after next season if he's successful in Ottawa. He could leave when he doesn't get the Heatley-type money and term he'll be looking for. There's a reason why LA is putting him on the table.

Still, Johnson and the 5th overall pick will likely be a great return for Heatley in the long run. If they get something for Frolov at the 2011 deadline or manage to sign him to an affordable deal, then all the better.
I agree overall - but was just wondering why you think Frolov would be looking for Heatley $'s & term?

Frolov's a great player - but I think he'd be around $5.5M as a UFA.

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To be perfectly honest, I don't think Jack Johnson has all that much value. The guy hasn't exactly lit up the NHL and he's apparently asking for a lot of money and threatening to go to Russia.
Heatley is more of a problem than JJ as he's asked for a trade twice in his short career. JJ is working on an extension with the Kings and it's nowhere near the 5.5 million rumors.

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Not really.
I think you're going to be disappointed.

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I think you're going to be disappointed.
As will most Sens fans when they see the return for Heatley.

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06-10-2009, 06:22 PM
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First mention of a Duck player (albeit a trade proposal) by guess who?

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=621

Second mention of a Duck player by none other than.. you again!

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=655

Guess what? You are WRONG.



Yes communist.. like Marc Crawford. Thanks Lubomir! Is that the $5 word of the day?

You are allowed to have an opinion but you can't fault a guy for missing time with that kind of a situation. I don't remember any Kings fans poking fun at Giguere when his kid was hurt. I'm sure there possibly were a few but you just sunk yourself to that level.. of communistKings fans.
What I said had NOTHING to do with changing the topic, at all and you know it.

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why can't he afford to say no to a trade?... Redden said no to trades and it got him another $6 million contract... if Heatley decides to only accept a trade to a team he feels can contend with him in a big role... then he will only accept trades to those teams... Heatley holds most of the chips... as long as he shows up in training camp and plays if not he loses nothing... the worst that can happen is Ottawa sends him home pending a trade... so then he gets free money... if Heatley is not traded immediately the Sens can't afford to just sit him either... how bad will it look to their fans that they are simply sitting a 50 goal scorer instead of doing something
The difference is redden did not say he wanted out of town.I don't know how most fans would treat him if he is here come the start of the season.


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Heatley is more of a problem than JJ as he's asked for a trade twice in his short career. JJ is working on an extension with the Kings and it's nowhere near the 5.5 million rumors.
Heatley's a legitimate superstar and one of the best goalscorers in the league. He's on pace to have a hall of fame career. The headache he might bring is tolerable because of how good he has proven to be.

Jack Johnson hasn't proven squat and is a headache.

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To be perfectly honest, I don't think Jack Johnson has all that much value. The guy hasn't exactly lit up the NHL and he's apparently asking for a lot of money and threatening to go to Russia.

That's called a negotiating tactic. A ton of guys have used (or tried to use) that option before - and it's just a negotiating ploy. It has no significant impact on his trade value IMO.

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Haven't seen it up yet:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281356

Apparently Edmonton is one team Heatley would be willing to waive his NMC


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Haven't seen it up yet:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281356

Apparently Edmonton is the only team Heatley would be willing to waive his NMC
Its says edmonton is one team it does not say the only team.

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That's called a negotiating tactic. A ton of guys have used (or tried to use) that option before - and it's just a negotiating ploy. It has no significant impact on his trade value IMO.
Still doesnt negate the fact that he hasnt had a large impact in the NHL yet. Im sure he will get better, but that still doesnt mean he has proven much in the NHL yet. Not to mention he may already be traded twice by age 22, and is a potential headache for whichever team acquires him.

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Its says edmonton is one team it does not say the only team.
yup, your right, sorry about that.

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why can't he afford to say no to a trade?... Redden said no to trades and it got him another $6 million contract... if Heatley decides to only accept a trade to a team he feels can contend with him in a big role... then he will only accept trades to those teams... Heatley holds most of the chips... as long as he shows up in training camp and plays if not he loses nothing... the worst that can happen is Ottawa sends him home pending a trade... so then he gets free money... if Heatley is not traded immediately the Sens can't afford to just sit him either... how bad will it look to their fans that they are simply sitting a 50 goal scorer instead of doing something
No Murray holds the cards... Do you really think Heatley will want to show up to training camp after demanding a trade?

Now if Heatley decides to sit out he will be suspended, not get paid and his salary will not count towards the cap... just like what happened with Niedermayer in Anaheim.

This is a blessing in disguise for Ottawa.

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Still doesnt negate the fact that he hasnt had a large impact in the NHL yet. Im sure he will get better, but that still doesnt mean he has proven much in the NHL yet. Not to mention he may already be traded twice by age 22, and is a potential headache for whichever team acquires him.
While I agree he has yet to prove him self like Doughty, he has never signed a contract and then requested or demanded a trade...yet(?). In fact in Carolina he only wanted to fulfill his commitment to U of M and not be pressured to break it to join the NHL club. All rumors of his fleeing to the KHL, demanding a trade or demanding 5.5 mil have all been proven false. Since there is no history of him and contract problems I don't see a basis for your assertion.

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Bryan Murray isn't an idiot. If teams offer low, he won't be traded, and the Senators will win with Heatley in the lineup.

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Ideal for the Sens.

Heatley pretty much did the Sens a favour by requesting a trade. Now Murray doesn't have to consider trading Spezza or Alfredsson while tip-toeing around a rebuild, while Heatley will probably give him a much bigger return. With this LA rumour, they're picking up 3 potential all-stars for the price of one. Yes please.

Couple problems:

While Frolov is approaching his peak, Johnson and the 5th overall pick are far from it. So how much better they get while Alfredsson is still available to them remains to be seen.

Frolov will demand a huge raise after next season if he's successful in Ottawa. He could leave when he doesn't get the Heatley-type money and term he'll be looking for. There's a reason why LA is putting him on the table.

Still, Johnson and the 5th overall pick will likely be a great return for Heatley in the long run. If they get something for Frolov at the 2011 deadline or manage to sign him to an affordable deal, then all the better.
Ottawa would/could be able to package their 9th overall pick with LA's 5th Overall and possibly move up into the top 3. That would get Ottawa a sure fire star in either Tavares, Hedman, or Duchane.

Ofcoarse one of Colorado, NYI, or Tampa would want to trade down, but acquiring two top 10 picks in this draft would not hurt their teams. At 5th overall they could pick one of Kane, MPS, or Schenn and at 9th overall they could pick one of Cowen, Ekman-Larson, or Kulikov.

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