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06-15-2009, 09:00 AM
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OK i don't know if this is in the rules but could the flyers possibly do this.

Give knuble a tail ended contract over 3 years for 6 million. Thats 2 mill a year on the cap hit. After next season, we then waive knuble and drop him into the minors. He still gets his payout and gets another season with philly. If he still wants to play more hockey there is always the chance of another team taking him from waivers, or a trade deadline aquisition(sp)?

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OK i don't know if this is in the rules but could the flyers possibly do this.

Give knuble a tail ended contract over 3 years for 6 million. Thats 2 mill a year on the cap hit. After next season, we then waive knuble and drop him into the minors. He still gets his payout and gets another season with philly. If he still wants to play more hockey there is always the chance of another team taking him from waivers, or a trade deadline aquisition(sp)?
He would probably command more than 2 million in free agency.

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OK i don't know if this is in the rules but could the flyers possibly do this.

Give knuble a tail ended contract over 3 years for 6 million. Thats 2 mill a year on the cap hit. After next season, we then waive knuble and drop him into the minors. He still gets his payout and gets another season with philly. If he still wants to play more hockey there is always the chance of another team taking him from waivers, or a trade deadline aquisition(sp)?
I believe since he would be over 35 when he signs the contract, that even if he were waived his cap hit would still count against the cap.

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OK i don't know if this is in the rules but could the flyers possibly do this.

Give knuble a tail ended contract over 3 years for 6 million. Thats 2 mill a year on the cap hit. After next season, we then waive knuble and drop him into the minors. He still gets his payout and gets another season with philly. If he still wants to play more hockey there is always the chance of another team taking him from waivers, or a trade deadline aquisition(sp)?
Usually when you waive someone to go to the minors, can't they be claimed by another team?

Assuming Knuble would be fine that season..what team wouldn't pick him up for 1M a year? (ASSUMING also that I'm correct that a team can grab him for half price).

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Usually when you waive someone to go to the minors, can't they be claimed by another team?

Assuming Knuble would be fine that season..what team wouldn't pick him up for 1M a year? (ASSUMING also that I'm correct that a team can grab him for half price).
If we're talking about signing Knuble to a discount (plus bonus possibilities), and then waiving him, it might be better to just move on and let him sign elsewhere for what he's worth. What that is remains to be seen. I would doubt that Mike would stay in Philly for $2MM if someone else offers $3MM up front, which is very conceivable.

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Usually when you waive someone to go to the minors, can't they be claimed by another team?

Assuming Knuble would be fine that season..what team wouldn't pick him up for 1M a year? (ASSUMING also that I'm correct that a team can grab him for half price).
The claiming team would be on the hook for full price if they claim him on the way down. They get the half price discount if we try to bring him back up.

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If we're talking about signing Knuble to a discount (plus bonus possibilities), and then waiving him, it might be better to just move on and let him sign elsewhere for what he's worth. What that is remains to be seen. I would doubt that Mike would stay in Philly for $2MM if someone else offers $3MM up front, which is very conceivable.



I honestly can't believe anyone gets him for less than 3. something. I'd love to see him back here but I think he's going to be another Biron type casualty.

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The claiming team would be on the hook for full price if they claim him on the way down. They get the half price discount if we try to bring him back up.
Yeah you're right, partially I think...

First time they're on waivers, it is full price. The 2nd time they get put on waivers so they can go to the minors, and that is when they can be picked up for half price...I think.

I'm too lazy to check if that's actually how it goes.

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Yeah you're right, partially I think...

First time they're on waivers, it is full price. The 2nd time they get put on waivers so they can go to the minors, and that is when they can be picked up for half price...I think.

I'm too lazy to check if that's actually how it goes.


Yup...waiving team is on the hook for the other half I believe.

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06-15-2009, 04:16 PM
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Yeah you're right, partially I think...

First time they're on waivers, it is full price. The 2nd time they get put on waivers so they can go to the minors, and that is when they can be picked up for half price...I think.

I'm too lazy to check if that's actually how it goes.
No. They only need to be placed on waivers once to be sent down. It's only when they are recalled from the minors in which they cost half and half.

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I honestly can't believe anyone gets him for less than 3. something. I'd love to see him back here but I think he's going to be another Biron type casualty.
owen nolan and bertuzzi both made just under $2MM last season. they are around the same age and tyoe of player.

nolan had @ 22 goals and bert @ 18 goals playing on less offensively talented teams.

so, i don't know if he get more then 2-2.5MM especially with the economy and the cap going down.

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Yeah you're right, partially I think...

First time they're on waivers, it is full price. The 2nd time they get put on waivers so they can go to the minors, and that is when they can be picked up for half price...I think.

I'm too lazy to check if that's actually how it goes.
I'm 100% right. How many times they're sent down doesn't matter. It's all about whether they're going down or up.

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owen nolan and bertuzzi both made just under $2MM last season. they are around the same age and tyoe of player.

nolan had @ 22 goals and bert @ 18 goals playing on less offensively talented teams.

so, i don't know if he get more then 2-2.5MM especially with the economy and the cap going down.


Knuble's been consistent. A GM knows what he's getting with him. Would anyone think that either of those players would reach those numbers. Health was also a major concern with both of those players having back issues. If I'm Columbus, Vancouver or anyone that needs a presence in front of the net that can actually kill penalties...I'm looking at Knuble and thinking 3 million is a deal if I've got the cap space and it's not over 2 years.

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Knuble's been consistent. A GM knows what he's getting with him. Would anyone think that either of those players would reach those numbers. Health was also a major concern with both of those players having back issues. If I'm Columbus, Vancouver or anyone that needs a presence in front of the net that can actually kill penalties...I'm looking at Knuble and thinking 3 million is a deal if I've got the cap space and it's not over 2 years.
you're probaably right but as a GM you have to realize that if you sign him expecting the same production you have to give him top PP minutes and top line minutes to get it...i amnot sure he still warrants the top line minutes so you are paying $3MM for a PP specialist...although the flyers pay $6.5MM for one now.

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you're probaably right but as a GM you have to realize that if you sign him expecting the same production you have to give him top PP minutes and top line minutes to get it...i amnot sure he still warrants the top line minutes so you are paying $3MM for a PP specialist...although the flyers pay $6.5MM for one now.



I think Knuble can justify a 3.5 million dollar 2 year deal from a few teams right now. Obviously the longer the deal the more sketchy it becomes but he'd be much more coveted than some of us want to believe. If we had the cap space there wouldn't even be a discussion. Also, Knuble is a decent penalty killer. He's far from a power play specialist, as of right now.

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I dont post here often, but I read on the devils board that Madden is going to test the market. I know he is getting up there in age, but hes pretty solid on faceoffs and could take a good pit of PK time away from Carter and Richards. What kind of money u think he will get? Would you be interested?

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I dont post here often, but I read on the devils board that Madden is going to test the market. I know he is getting up there in age, but hes pretty solid on faceoffs and could take a good pit of PK time away from Carter and Richards. What kind of money u think he will get? Would you be interested?
My friend/roommate is a Devils fan and, if it adds to his credibility at all, a former writer for HF. He seems to think Madden will get up to about $4m on the open market though he does say that he wants Madden to stay with NJ.

I think $4m might be pushing it a bit, and anything over $3m for a player like Madden is pushing it with the Flyers' current payroll.

I like Madden a lot, but if we can get a Pahlsson for a buttload cheaper we have to explore that option.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Steve Reinprecht in Phoenix as a third line option. I think he'd be a great fit here in that role. He can contribute offensively, but won't be asked to be a prominent offensive player. He's good defensively and he won't break the bank either.

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Tellqvist as a backup maybe?

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Tellqvist as a backup maybe?
Mikael? if so, He signed with AK Bars Kazan of the KHL

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Hadn't heard that, thanks

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I think Knuble can justify a 3.5 million dollar 2 year deal from a few teams right now. Obviously the longer the deal the more sketchy it becomes but he'd be much more coveted than some of us want to believe. If we had the cap space there wouldn't even be a discussion. Also, Knuble is a decent penalty killer. He's far from a power play specialist, as of right now.
well he isnt going to get $3.5m with the Flyers

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Huh. So, I was just browsing through Jay Bouwmeester's hockeydb profile and I was surprised to see that his playoff inexperience isn't localized to the NHL.

4 seasons in the WHL, 0 playoff games.
1 season in the AHL, 18 playoff games (0 points). Of note, this was the lockout season.
6 seasons in the NHL, 0 playoff games.

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Huh. So, I was just browsing through Jay Bouwmeester's hockeydb profile and I was surprised to see that his playoff inexperience isn't localized to the NHL.

4 seasons in the WHL, 0 playoff games.
1 season in the AHL, 18 playoff games (0 points). Of note, this was the lockout season.
6 seasons in the NHL, 0 playoff games.
I was aware of this. It's bizarre, for sure.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Steve Reinprecht in Phoenix as a third line option. I think he'd be a great fit here in that role. He can contribute offensively, but won't be asked to be a prominent offensive player. He's good defensively and he won't break the bank either.
I'd love Rino, doubt we have enough money for him though and he's pretty bad at faceoffs as well.

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