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06-10-2009, 12:05 AM
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If only your last name was Murray

Personally I'd do the deal for Heatley because Nabby and Marleau come off next year. Obviously we'd need a replacement for Nabby, but I think with what money is left, we'd be able to get it.
Just because contracts come off next year doesn't mean you don't have to be under the cap this year. There's no feasible way to ice a full squad if you have Heatley at 7.5, Thornton at 7.2, Marleau at 6.3, Nabokov at 5.3, and Boyle at 6.7. That's 33 million in 5 players and 13.5 mil committed to another 7 players leaving roughly 10 mil for 10 players, two of which would be top four defensemen.

It's just not feasible to replace Ehrhoff cap-wise w/o a severe loss of backend skill.

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Just because contracts come off next year doesn't mean you don't have to be under the cap this year. There's no feasible way to ice a full squad if you have Heatley at 7.5, Thornton at 7.2, Marleau at 6.3, Nabokov at 5.3, and Boyle at 6.7. That's 33 million in 5 players and 13.5 mil committed to another 7 players leaving roughly 10 mil for 10 players, two of which would be top four defensemen.

It's just not feasible to replace Ehrhoff cap-wise w/o a severe loss of backend skill.
Oh I know, of course. My point was obviously it's not a longterm issue if they trade for Heatley. If the Sharks didn't have players coming off the book for a while with high cap hits, then that's one thing. But if the Sharks have a couple of high-paid players coming off, next season, then I'm willing to put up with some salary constraints this year.

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06-10-2009, 12:33 AM
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Heatley (7.5) Thornton (7.2)- Setoguchi (1.247)
Marleau (6.3)-Pavelski (1.67)- Clowe (3.25)
McGinn (.996)- Mitchell (.85)- Moen (1.5)
Plihal (.65) Goc (.85)-Roenick (.5)
Shelly (.725), Zalewski (.66)

Boyle (6.67)- Luko (1.56)
Vlasic (3.1)- Blake (3)
Petrecki (1.25)- Joslin (.516)
Moore (1)

Nabby+Greiss (6.1)
Total=~57 million. So despite moving Ehrhoff, Murray, Cheechoo, and Michalek and adding only Heatley and Moen, the team still is over the cap.

And what about next year, when Marleau (possibly Zetterberg like deal), Setoguchi (3.5-4 mill, maybe 2.5 on a one year deal), Pavelski (see Seto), Nabby (3-6 mill, or replace; Greiss probably isn't ready), and Blake come off the books.

The Sharks will have 3 top 6 forwards (Heater, Thornton, Clowe= 18.2), two top 4 D (Boyle, Vlasic= 9.8), and a third line (3.3) signed. 62% of the cap on 8 players, not including goalies, a second line, or two top 4 d-men.

The Sharks can't reasonably commit to another big money deal without moving a guy with a NTC (Boyle, Marleau, Thornton, Nabby).

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06-10-2009, 12:54 AM
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To Ottawa: Milan Michalek (4.33M), Christian Ehrhoff (3.1M), and 2009 2nd round pick

To San Jose: Dany Heatley (7.5M)

I could see this as being a deal that both teams consider. San Jose gets their elite sniper for Joe Thornton, but also don't add so much salary where it handcuffs them, as the contracts essentially cancel each other out money-wise. Ottawa gets two young, established NHL players who can step in and help right now, and have contracts going into next season and beyond.

Thoughts?
Err..., wasn't this suggested in the other thread (albeit not explicitly including the 2nd rounder?)... Not trying to crash the party or anything

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I would, however, looking at the other offers floating around that seem to get some positive feedback wonder if Milan Michalek and Christian Ehrhoff could form the basis of a deal. Both would appear to be good fits in Ottawa but maybe I'm not analysing enough here. I think the Sharks would be pained to see these two go but that's usually the basis for a fair-ish deal when you have to give to get...

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06-10-2009, 01:02 AM
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Err..., wasn't this suggested in the other thread (albeit not explicitly including the 2nd rounder?)... Not trying to crash the party or anything
It deserved it's own thread.

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06-10-2009, 01:46 AM
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I'll probably be the only Sharks fan who says I would rather keep Michalek and Ehrhoff than trade them for Heatley. Trading Ehrhoff opens a huge hole on our back-end that would cost us far more to fill than the Sharks could afford.

If we could get Heatley for Marleau and Clowe, that would be fine. But I doubt Ottawa goes for that deal.
Going back to a suggestion I had on the Sharks board a couple weeks ago...
Marleau and Clowe to Fla for Horton, Weiss, and a 1st?

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06-10-2009, 02:17 AM
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here's what I'm thinking. Ottawa has less of a need for a defenseman & more of a need for secondary scoring.

To ottawa:

Michalek (4.3M)
Cheechoo (3.0M)

To SJ:

Heatley (7.5M)

Salaries are practically idential. Michalek replaces Heatley on the top line & Cheechoo gives Ottawa some much needed secondary scoring on the 2nd line. I would do this trade straight up, but if San Jose is willing to throw in a draft pick, even better!

Barring cheechoo though, I wuoldn't be opposed to Vlasic or Erhoff bein included in the deal.



offensive lines look something like this....

Alfredsson - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Fisher - Cheechoo
Regin - Comrie - Shannon
Ruutu - Kelly - Winchester

This is assuming Comrie is resigned....but I suppose you could substitute kellly there & put bass on the 4th line.


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06-10-2009, 02:35 AM
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Wonderful deal for both sides, great job TMV

I personally think we are contenders after making this trade

Foligno - Spezza - Alfredsson
Michalek - Regin - Comrie
Kelly - Fisher - Shannon
Ruutu - Bass - Winchester

Phillips - Volchenkov
Erhoff - Kuba
Lee - Campoli

Leclaire
Elliott

Really?

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This trade must happen on Saturday.

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06-10-2009, 06:27 AM
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If this trade was to happen it would have to include Ehrhoff. Even if Ottawa don't want him, he is a hot commodity and they could move him somewhere else.

The original trade proposal is good, but to make it flexible I would think it could be ...

Heatley for Ehrhoff and one of:

Clowe + 2nd
Michalek + 2nd
Cheechoo + Mitchell + 4th

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06-10-2009, 06:32 AM
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To Ottawa: Milan Michalek (4.33M), Christian Ehrhoff (3.1M), and 2009 2nd round pick

To San Jose: Dany Heatley (7.5M)

I could see this as being a deal that both teams consider. San Jose gets their elite sniper for Joe Thornton, but also don't add so much salary where it handcuffs them, as the contracts essentially cancel each other out money-wise. Ottawa gets two young, established NHL players who can step in and help right now, and have contracts going into next season and beyond.

Thoughts?
Very good value wise; Kudos.
Still, I don't think SJ takes this. They run on defensive dominance, and giving up 2 near stars for one star doesn't seem like a good move for them. Still, very good man.

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06-10-2009, 06:34 AM
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If this trade was to happen it would have to include Ehrhoff. Even if Ottawa don't want him, he is a hot commodity and they could move him somewhere else.

The original trade proposal is good, but to make it flexible I would think it could be ...

Heatley for Ehrhoff and one of:

Clowe + 2nd
Michalek + 2nd
Cheechoo + Mitchell + 4th
Ehrhoff, Michalek + 2nd

Start the car!

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Very very tempting.

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I think he meant contenders to make the playoffs

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This trade must happen on Saturday.
Why? I'd wait till the draft and see what team cracks under pressure and overpays for Heatley and gives away a high pick.

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06-10-2009, 06:48 AM
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Why? I'd wait till the draft and see what team cracks under pressure and overpays for Heatley and gives away a high pick.
A high pick is overpaying for Heatley?

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A high pick is overpaying for Heatley?
I meant as part of a deal for him

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Actually, pretty sure everyone would want Vlasic over Ehrhoff. But nice try
Whichever man, we're talking about two great defenders here. Either or. Seriously.

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I'd also take Clowe and Michalek and a 2nd rounder in lieu of Ehrhoff.

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I'd also take Clowe and Michalek and a 2nd rounder in lieu of Ehrhoff.
The type of impact Ehrhoff would have on our defense would be amazing.

Our D needs his skill set.

He would play 22-24 minutes a game all situations
10-15G 45-55Pts
Brings physical play
Can break out pass
Explosive speed

His skill set is rare and as he hits his prime, the heads beginning to catch up.

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I love this deal, Ehroff is a great defender and a german, sadly our current german defender is terrible. Michalek is also the ideal forward for our needs in many ways although I figure many sens fans would drool over clowe. I think the original deal is awesome though and if it happens I think both fan bases would be pleased.

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The type of impact Ehrhoff would have on our defense would be amazing.

Our D needs his skill set.

He would play 22-24 minutes a game all situations
10-15G 45-55Pts
Brings physical play
Can break out pass
Explosive speed

His skill set is rare and as he hits his prime, the heads beginning to catch up.
I don't see a major advantage taking him over Gilbert, other than the 0.9M cap hit you save. He's been sheltered defensively with SJS, and enjoys the services of Boyle as his PP partner. I doubt he'd hit 40 with Ottawa.

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I don't see a major advantage taking him over Gilbert, other than the 0.9M cap hit you save. He's been sheltered defensively with SJS, and enjoys the services of Boyle as his PP partner. I doubt he'd hit 40 with Ottawa.
There's not much of a difference. In fact, I think Gilbert's on par. But do you have a Michalek or Clowe to offer as well? I can't think of one on the Oilers.

And no, Penner won't do, Horcoff won't do obviously, Gagner...we're flush at center, Cogliano is good, but he's not big like Michalek or Clowe, Eberle (sp) is awesome, but again, Michalek and Clowe are big boys, who have NHL success and come with a decent price tag.

What can you offer that fits that description?

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Heatley (7.5) Thornton (7.2)- Setoguchi (1.247)
Marleau (6.3)-Pavelski (1.67)- Clowe (3.25)
McGinn (.996)- Mitchell (.85)- Moen (1.5)
Plihal (.65) Goc (.85)-Roenick (.5)
Shelly (.725), Zalewski (.66)

Boyle (6.67)- Luko (1.56)
Vlasic (3.1)- Blake (3)
Petrecki (1.25)- Joslin (.516)
Moore (1)

Nabby+Greiss (6.1)
Total=~57 million. So despite moving Ehrhoff, Murray, Cheechoo, and Michalek and adding only Heatley and Moen, the team still is over the cap.

And what about next year, when Marleau (possibly Zetterberg like deal), Setoguchi (3.5-4 mill, maybe 2.5 on a one year deal), Pavelski (see Seto), Nabby (3-6 mill, or replace; Greiss probably isn't ready), and Blake come off the books.

The Sharks will have 3 top 6 forwards (Heater, Thornton, Clowe= 18.2), two top 4 D (Boyle, Vlasic= 9.8), and a third line (3.3) signed. 62% of the cap on 8 players, not including goalies, a second line, or two top 4 d-men.

The Sharks can't reasonably commit to another big money deal without moving a guy with a NTC (Boyle, Marleau, Thornton, Nabby).
Where's Doug Murray w/ his $2.5M cap hit?

Like Pinkfloyd said - I don't think that Sharks should have that top-heavy of a team. If not included in the trade, the Sharks would almost certainly have to get rid of Marleau after next year. I'd think the Sharks would have to have some deal where they could get value for him, if not in a deal for Heatley, then somewhere else this off-season.

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