nah, we're giving up too much. this saves some money short term for the flyers but kesler will want a raise soon...although i guess paying just over 5 mil for two guys might be better cap-wise than paying one guy 5 mil.
I like all three players coming to Philly. However I still would not move Jeff, By the way what would be the cap hit coming back to the Flyers?
Assuming Schneider is the backup to Emery if the proposal were to go down, the Flyers would take on about $600K in salary. Of course, Jones and/or Carle would be moved if Bieksa were brought in. Not a bad proposal at all.
I had to create an account after reading these forums for a year or so... this proposal is just so off in terms of what both teams would be willing to part with.
Vancouver gives up Kesler, who's got one more season of a really cheap contract and could possibly have 70+ points next season. Not to mention that his ceiling is ridiculously high still. (Also top 3 in selke voting this season.) Canucks also give up Bieksa, which makes their D even weaker than it already is — keep in mind, this is precisely why the Canucks failed, not because they lacked scoring.
Also not sure if this addresses the main issues with the Flyers' line up, but doesn't look like it to me.
Schneider could still bust on NHL level too... while he might be the best AHL goalie at 23, there's another great example of how little that really means — LaBarbera was the best AHL goalie at 24, but didn't quite make it in NHL, did he? Looking at the stats, LaBarbera was dominating the league even more so than Schneider is.
Not to mention the mental ramifications of this trade... Kesler is one of the main faces of the Vancouver franchise right now and also a very popular guy with the rest of the team, I believe the same applies to Jeff Carter (and probably Mike Richards too) on the Flyers side.
(Maybe if we replace Kesler with Raymond and add a 1st round pick or something... that could work slightly better, but still, I'm not convinced we want to move Bieksa (D), who's on a decent contract with no visible way of replacing him.)
Damn, I love all those players... Philly sure gets alot tougher after a trade like this.
If I was Philly I'd probably do this... Kesler and Bieksa have a cap hit of 5.5mil so the salaries aren't bad. Kesler is amazing, he alone can carry a line. By that I don't mean point production himself necessarily, but he tries so hard it forces his line mates to work harder to keep up. Plus he wins those battles in the corners like its nothing and forechecks like a mad man haha..
I dunno... Might be hard for Philly to let go of Carter but I think this deal makes their team a lot better.
From Vancouver's standpoint? Hmmm what would we do?
So we basically have 8.3mil to sign a top 4 defenseman, a top 6 winger, a bottom pairing dman, and a 4th liner. Ouch... We'd have to move one of our 3rd lines up to the 2nd line (they all have top 6 potential) and either throw Hodgson/Grabner on the 3rd line or some someone for 1.5mil max. Then really, I dunno... Throw a 6mil offer at J-Bo and sign 2 crappy ass players for 0.5 each haha.. Damn, talk about tight.