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06-10-2009, 12:00 AM
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jeff carter

to phi
cory schnieder
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This trade really doesn't make sense for either team.

Schneider is unproven. Vancouver can't afford to lose bieksa unless they are 100% sure they can sign bouwmeester. Oh, and carter scored a bunch of goals or something, I think.

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I'd love all those guys in Philly! Now pick someone besides Carter.

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06-10-2009, 12:20 AM
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Eh, not bad. Kesler and Bieksa will replace most of Carter's production. Schneider will replace most of Carter's defense. Have Vancouver add a 2nd in '11 and it's a deal.

Philly's absolute money with lower end 1st round picks anyway. They'll just draft another Carter, Richards or Giroux clone.

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06-10-2009, 12:24 AM
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I'd love all those guys in Philly! Now pick someone besides Carter.
I'm sure Vancouver fans would be happy to change Carter for Richards in that offer

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06-10-2009, 12:32 AM
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I'm sure Vancouver fans would be happy to change Carter for Richards in that offer
Wha no way that is horrible overpayment for Richards.

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06-10-2009, 12:58 AM
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I'm sure Vancouver fans would be happy to change Carter for Richards in that offer
I would love Richards, but other Vancouver fans would probably complain about the length of his contract

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06-10-2009, 01:04 AM
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kesler had a very promising season last year, nothing close to carters production or value but from a Canucks point of few this feels like a lot, Bieksa is a key part of our club

On second thought, I'd do this in a second for Carter

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06-10-2009, 02:13 AM
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not too bad really, although I wouldn't do it

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06-10-2009, 03:28 AM
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I like all three players coming to Philly. However I still would not move Jeff, By the way what would be the cap hit coming back to the Flyers?

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06-10-2009, 03:46 AM
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Wha no way that is horrible overpayment for Richards.
Apparently you think the value of Carter is that much higher than the value of Richards?

You don't mind the trade when it was proposed for Carter, but it is absolute over payment for Richards? Lunacy.

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06-10-2009, 03:49 AM
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no way vancouver does this.

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06-10-2009, 04:29 AM
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nah, we're giving up too much. this saves some money short term for the flyers but kesler will want a raise soon...although i guess paying just over 5 mil for two guys might be better cap-wise than paying one guy 5 mil.

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06-10-2009, 04:34 AM
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I like all three players coming to Philly. However I still would not move Jeff, By the way what would be the cap hit coming back to the Flyers?
Assuming Schneider is the backup to Emery if the proposal were to go down, the Flyers would take on about $600K in salary. Of course, Jones and/or Carle would be moved if Bieksa were brought in. Not a bad proposal at all.

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06-10-2009, 05:41 AM
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I had to create an account after reading these forums for a year or so... this proposal is just so off in terms of what both teams would be willing to part with.

Vancouver gives up Kesler, who's got one more season of a really cheap contract and could possibly have 70+ points next season. Not to mention that his ceiling is ridiculously high still. (Also top 3 in selke voting this season.) Canucks also give up Bieksa, which makes their D even weaker than it already is keep in mind, this is precisely why the Canucks failed, not because they lacked scoring.

Also not sure if this addresses the main issues with the Flyers' line up, but doesn't look like it to me.

Schneider could still bust on NHL level too... while he might be the best AHL goalie at 23, there's another great example of how little that really means LaBarbera was the best AHL goalie at 24, but didn't quite make it in NHL, did he? Looking at the stats, LaBarbera was dominating the league even more so than Schneider is.

Not to mention the mental ramifications of this trade... Kesler is one of the main faces of the Vancouver franchise right now and also a very popular guy with the rest of the team, I believe the same applies to Jeff Carter (and probably Mike Richards too) on the Flyers side.

(Maybe if we replace Kesler with Raymond and add a 1st round pick or something... that could work slightly better, but still, I'm not convinced we want to move Bieksa (D), who's on a decent contract with no visible way of replacing him.)


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06-10-2009, 08:01 AM
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oof. replace Kesler or Bieksa with a prospect not named Hodgson and you got yourself a deal

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06-10-2009, 08:22 AM
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oof. replace Kesler or Bieksa with a prospect not named Hodgson and you got yourself a deal
You won't get Carter for scrubs and a goalie prospect.

Maybe you want to replace Bieksa with Edler? Just keep adding after that.

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06-10-2009, 08:34 AM
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No thanks, I like all 3 players from Vancouver but Jeff's going to be a freak.

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06-10-2009, 09:01 AM
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Damn, I love all those players... Philly sure gets alot tougher after a trade like this.

If I was Philly I'd probably do this... Kesler and Bieksa have a cap hit of 5.5mil so the salaries aren't bad. Kesler is amazing, he alone can carry a line. By that I don't mean point production himself necessarily, but he tries so hard it forces his line mates to work harder to keep up. Plus he wins those battles in the corners like its nothing and forechecks like a mad man haha..

I dunno... Might be hard for Philly to let go of Carter but I think this deal makes their team a lot better.

From Vancouver's standpoint? Hmmm what would we do?

Sedin(5.5)-Sedin(5.5)-Burrows(2)
Demitra(4)-Carter(5)-???
Raymond(0.883)-Wellwood(1.1)-Bernier(2)
Hordichuk(0.75)-Johnson(1.15)-Rypien(0.55)
Hansen(0.55), ???

Mitchell(3.5)-Salo(3.5)
Edler(3.25)-???
O'Brien(1.1)-???
Davison(0.56)

Luongo(6.75)
LaBarbera(0.75)

CAP HIT: 48.393mil

So we basically have 8.3mil to sign a top 4 defenseman, a top 6 winger, a bottom pairing dman, and a 4th liner. Ouch... We'd have to move one of our 3rd lines up to the 2nd line (they all have top 6 potential) and either throw Hodgson/Grabner on the 3rd line or some someone for 1.5mil max. Then really, I dunno... Throw a 6mil offer at J-Bo and sign 2 crappy ass players for 0.5 each haha.. Damn, talk about tight.

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06-10-2009, 09:09 AM
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Vancouver missed its chance to "Get Carter" (random movie reference) before he re-signed his current contract. Carter's on a decent contract right now - no way do the Flyers move him.

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I say no thanks from a Vancouver point of view.

Keslers value to a team is greater than the sum of his parts. Bieksa is a good dman and until the Luongo thing is done I dont see Schneider moving.

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Nice thread going. Good to see respect for all players and fans from both sides.

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06-10-2009, 09:37 AM
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Replace Kesler with Getzlaf and you've got yourself a deal.

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Replace Kesler with Getzlaf and you've got yourself a deal.
What?

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