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06-11-2009, 12:02 PM
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Cammalleri's rights

As a Flames fan im interested in what we might be able to trade Cammy's rights for as its looking likely that he wont be back.

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I'll sacrifice the rights to Christopher Neil.

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I'm one of the few people on this site that think UFAs to be have some trade value... (Sundin, Hartnell, Kimo) but Cammalleri's value is about a 5th or 6th rounder. Why?

1. He is going to test market and (IMO) sign with the highest bidder.

2. This year's draft (unlike the year of the Nashville / Philadelphia trade) is very deep of quality players. Nashville and Philadelphia also made a trade at the deadline, there could of been a little wink-wink.

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I'm one of the few people on this site that think UFAs to be have some trade value... (Sundin, Hartnell, Kimo) but Cammalleri's value is about a 5th or 6th rounder. Why?

1. He is going to test market and (IMO) sign with the highest bidder.

2. This year's draft (unlike the year of the Nashville / Philadelphia trade) is very deep of quality players. Nashville and Philadelphia also made a trade at the deadline, there could of been a little wink-wink.
Those two were signed to a contract.

I'm not even sure what Montréal gave up for Sundin's rights, but needless to say UFA rights have no value, unless a contract is agreed to.

Though, I agree, 5th, or 6th maybe, but not likely. I'm sure no matter where Cammalleri goes, he'll go and test the open market, unless the team that acquires his rights gives him a wicked deal he's not even remotely worth.

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A conditional mid-round pick, at most.

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A bag of pucks. Seriously, a conditional 5th or beyond pick.

UFA's rights have very little value.

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06-11-2009, 12:57 PM
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Those two were signed to a contract.

I'm not even sure what Montréal gave up for Sundin's rights, but needless to say UFA rights have no value, unless a contract is agreed to.

Though, I agree, 5th, or 6th maybe, but not likely. I'm sure no matter where Cammalleri goes, he'll go and test the open market, unless the team that acquires his rights gives him a wicked deal he's not even remotely worth.
Montreal gave up Mikhail Grabovksi for the rights to talk to Sundin.

But yeah we're not talking about an RFA here so the rights aren't worth that much.

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Montreal gave up Mikhail Grabovksi for the rights to talk to Sundin.
No, Montreal traded Grabovsky for a 2nd and Greg Pateryn. Toronto would get compensation only if Sundin signed with us but he didn't. It was rumored to be a 2nd round pick.

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Montreal gave up Mikhail Grabovksi for the rights to talk to Sundin.

But yeah we're not talking about an RFA here so the rights aren't worth that much.
...and that worked out really well. Seriously, the rights to negotiate with players is so overrated around these parts.

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what is the point of trading for his rights.. really dont understand this.. can someone explain why would anyone trade something for a FA?

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what is the point of trading for his rights.. really dont understand this.. can someone explain why would anyone trade something for a FA?
You get to be the only team to talk to the player before July 1st.
If a team like Toronto really wants him they could give the Flames a conditional 6th rounder if theyre able to sign him or something like that.

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what is the point of trading for his rights.. really dont understand this.. can someone explain why would anyone trade something for a FA?
The concept is rather easy, but risky. The player is no free agent until July, 1st which is why the usual term "trading for his rights" isn't really necessary. But it leads to the idea of it: the player is not allowed to (openly) negotiate with other teams than his own until July 1st, so if you feel confident that you could convince a player to sign a contract with your club after some more intense negotiations than what is possible on July 1st, you might give up a small asset to give this a try.

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Yes please.
Its alot less likely Cammy will sign in Florida though.

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Originally Posted by Kingjordan
what is the point of trading for his rights.. really dont understand this.. can someone explain why would anyone trade something for a FA?

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The concept is rather easy, but risky. The player is no free agent until July, 1st which is why the usual term "trading for his rights" isn't really necessary. But it leads to the idea of it: the player is not allowed to (openly) negotiate with other teams than his own until July 1st, so if you feel confident that you could convince a player to sign a contract with your club after some more intense negotiations than what is possible on July 1st, you might give up a small asset to give this a try.
And to expand on what Vipers said: That's where the conditional aspect comes in.

Lets say he/his rights get traded to the Canes.
If the 'Canes sign him, the canes get X in return from the Flames to complete the trade, now that Cammalleri is part of the 'Canes.
If the 'Canes don't sign him, the canes get Y in return since he isn't part of the team.

The "X" is probably more than the "Y"
3rd rounder vs. a 5th, maybe?
4th rounder and then a 5th, maybe?

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A really cool throwing knife, unless he's traded to Toronto.

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Mid round pick. Hartnell and Timonen returned a first because they were both signed to 6 year deals before.

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