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06-11-2009, 11:38 AM
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To CBJ - Pavel Kubina

To TOR: Modin (salary), Mayorov, 2nd

Why Columbus does it - their defense, aside from Russel, absolutely fails at handling the puck. Hence their horrible PP rate throughout the season. Bringing over Kubina would improve their breakouts and PP by a significant margin. Kubina's also pretty good in his own end, which means a ton for Hitchcock. In losing Modin and (presumably) Backman, they'd be able to afford Kubina. With additions of Brassard and Filatov their top 9 doesn't suffer from losing Modin.

Nash Brassard Huselius
Filatov Vermette Voracek
Torres Malhotra Umberger
Chimera Novotny Boll

Kubina Commodore
Tyutin Russel
Hejda Klesla

Why Toronto does it - get a very good LW prospect who wouldn't really have a spot with Nash and Filatov on left wing in Columbus, and Huselius, Voracek and Umberger ahead of him on the RW depth chart, also a pick to go along with the rebuild.

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06-11-2009, 11:49 AM
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That's a pretty good deal for Kubina.

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Great proposal my friend, it would be great for both teams.

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I'd rather try for a late 1st, or a great prospect for Kubina. The 2nd could be nice, but it's a real gamble. Mayorov does't appear to be much of an offensive prospect, maybe a few CLB fans can enlighten me.

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Great proposal my friend, it would be great for both teams.
what's great for TO?

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Hmm, not a terrible proposal. Quite good, actually. However, there are a few things to consider.

1) Modin has a NTC. Would he waive it to go to Toronto? I honestly don't know the answer to that. I'd expect that he'd prefer a trade to a contender but Burke might want to resign him to help mentor the younger guys.

2) Mayorov may end up being the steal of the 2007 draft. He had a good rookie season in Syracuse and still has untapped potential. I suspect (even though it was never officially stated) that Mayorov is the prospect Ottawa wanted in the Vermettte/Leclaire trade but Howson was able to talk them into a 2nd instead. I also believe the org is high on him. Not sure they'd trade him for one year of Kubina.

Also, the defensive pairings would probably look like this:

Kubina Tyutin
Hejda Commodore
Russell Kelsla

All in all, I think I'd do the trade. We take care of one of our major needs this off season with a cap increase of only ~1.5 million. We lose a potential top 2 line player but, assuming Nash is resigned, we wont have room for him in the top 6.

Just curious, what would the Jackets need to add to get Stajan as well?

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That is a good proposal, if we are talking about 09 secon rounder. I could definately see us do that sort of trade for Kubina.

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what's great for TO?
2nd and a decent prospects, what else are you looking for?

the jackets dont have a 2nd this year... so i will be next year's

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what's great for TO?
They get a good prospect, a 2nd (it's not that bad..), and a forwad with a lot of experience for a guy who won't probably resign with them.

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It's not horrible..

Whats Mayorov's upside and how many years left on Modin's contract?

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Hmm, not a terrible proposal. Quite good, actually. However, there are a few things to consider.

1) Modin has a NTC. Would he waive it to go to Toronto? I honestly don't know the answer to that. I'd expect that he'd prefer a trade to a contender but Burke might want to resign him to help mentor the younger guys.

2) Mayorov may end up being the steal of the 2007 draft. He had a good rookie season in Syracuse and still has untapped potential. I suspect (even though it was never officially stated) that Mayorov is the prospect Ottawa wanted in the Vermettte/Leclaire trade but Howson was able to talk them into a 2nd instead. I also believe the org is high on him. Not sure they'd trade him for one year of Kubina.

Also, the defensive pairings would probably look like this:

Kubina Tyutin
Hejda Commodore
Russell Kelsla

All in all, I think I'd do the trade. We take care of one of our major needs this off season with a cap increase of only ~1.5 million. We lose a potential top 2 line player but, assuming Nash is resigned, we wont have room for him in the top 6.

Just curious, what would the Jackets need to add to get Stajan as well?
IMO adding Stajan + 3rd and changing that pick to a first could get it done. But why would Columbus need Stajan?

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I could see a Tor CBJ for a Defenseman deal, but I dont see TOR wanting Mayorov...not because he doesnt have talent, but because TO's wingers of the future are already kulemin, tlustly, stefanovich stalberg......

If tor could get a first for Kubina, I'd say deal, if not

Kaberle for Golobuef, Sestito, the 16th I think would be ok

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It's not horrible..

Whats Mayorov's upside and how many years left on Modin's contract?
Here's Mayorov's HF profile. By all accounts I can remember from Crunch fans on the Jackets board, he seemed to improve in all aspects of the game as the season went on. He'll probably need another season in the AHL before he's ready for the NHL.

Modin has one year left on his contract.

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change mayorov with Goloubef

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2nd and a decent prospects, what else are you looking for?

the jackets dont have a 2nd this year... so i will be next year's
Like I said, I'd rather trade for a prospect with better chances of an impact in the NHL. Not neccessarily a star, but I just don't see the hype in Mayorov. But honestly, I don't know the player at all, and I'm only going on what I can read quickly. I just think Kubina has a bigger impact for us then what this deal entails. Even if he's only got 1 year left, he may be a real hot commodity come TDD. By takeing Modin, we really just burdening ourselves as we don't have the space. Who would he displace in our lineup? The 2nd apparantly would have to be in '10, which makes it an even bigger gamble if we are to accept this trade today. An '09 would be a little better, but even still, it's a big gamble.

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IMO adding Stajan + 3rd and changing that pick to a first could get it done. But why would Columbus need Stajan?
Negotiations with Manny Malhotra aren't going well so the Jackets may need to pickup 2 checking line centers this offseason. Getting Stajan would fill one of those holes while also giving us a hedge against Vermette not resigning with the team as Stajan could play on the second line with Voracek and Umberger in a couple seasons.

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IMO adding Stajan + 3rd and changing that pick to a first could get it done. But why would Columbus need Stajan?
Quality depth at the center position.

Chimera/Torres-Stajan-Filatov as a third line would make
Torres/Chimera-Malhotra-Dorsett/Murray/Boll the fourth line

No need then to re-sign Williams.

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Whats Mayorov's upside and how many years left on Modin's contract?
Next year is the last on Modin's contract. See cydawg's take above on Mayorov. He looked like a man last year in training camp, and he's still filling out his frame. He's a sniper, good skater and puck-handler who needs to develop an NHL mentality.

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Modin also has a NMC.

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i wouldnt want Modin and his salary ...Leafs need to move forward, and stop living in the past.

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Decent deal. Looks good to me.

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Hmm, not a terrible proposal. Quite good, actually. However, there are a few things to consider.

1) Modin has a NTC. Would he waive it to go to Toronto? I honestly don't know the answer to that. I'd expect that he'd prefer a trade to a contender but Burke might want to resign him to help mentor the younger guys.

2) Mayorov may end up being the steal of the 2007 draft. He had a good rookie season in Syracuse and still has untapped potential. I suspect (even though it was never officially stated) that Mayorov is the prospect Ottawa wanted in the Vermettte/Leclaire trade but Howson was able to talk them into a 2nd instead. I also believe the org is high on him. Not sure they'd trade him for one year of Kubina.

Also, the defensive pairings would probably look like this:

Kubina Tyutin
Hejda Commodore
Russell Kelsla

All in all, I think I'd do the trade. We take care of one of our major needs this off season with a cap increase of only ~1.5 million. We lose a potential top 2 line player but, assuming Nash is resigned, we wont have room for him in the top 6.

Just curious, what would the Jackets need to add to get Stajan as well?
Turn the 2nd into a 1st, I would say.

Also, Kubina is a right handed shot.

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I could see a Tor CBJ for a Defenseman deal, but I dont see TOR wanting Mayorov...not because he doesnt have talent, but because TO's wingers of the future are already kulemin, tlustly, stefanovich stalberg......

If tor could get a first for Kubina, I'd say deal, if not

Kaberle for Golobuef, Sestito, the 16th I think would be ok
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change mayorov with Goloubef
Weber instead of Goloubef?

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change mayorov with Goloubef
Agreed, this is more along the lines of what I'd expect. He seems to have a better upside, though not a blue chipper.

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To CBJ - Pavel Kubina

To TOR: Modin (salary), Mayorov, 2nd

Why Columbus does it - their defense, aside from Russel, absolutely fails at handling the puck. Hence their horrible PP rate throughout the season. Bringing over Kubina would improve their breakouts and PP by a significant margin. Kubina's also pretty good in his own end, which means a ton for Hitchcock. In losing Modin and (presumably) Backman, they'd be able to afford Kubina. With additions of Brassard and Filatov their top 9 doesn't suffer from losing Modin.

Nash Brassard Huselius
Filatov Vermette Voracek
Torres Malhotra Umberger
Chimera Novotny Boll

Kubina Commodore
Tyutin Russel
Hejda Klesla

Why Toronto does it - get a very good LW prospect who wouldn't really have a spot with Nash and Filatov on left wing in Columbus, and Huselius, Voracek and Umberger ahead of him on the RW depth chart, also a pick to go along with the rebuild.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=598544
Kinda similar to mine huh?
After this season kubina's value is higher, we could probably get a first for him.

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change mayorov with Goloubef
Goloubef is our top defensive prospect. We don't have anyone else in the pipeline with his skillset so he'd be close to untouchable.

How about Teddy Ruth? He and Schenn could become an elite shutdown pairing in a few years.

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Weber instead of Goloubef?
im just reading what hf has about these guys, i know nothing about them, but I would want Goloubef out of the 3. both weber and mayorov sound like they are still raw

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Terrible --

Columbus' D can't move the puck. Acquiring another guy that can't move it makes no sense. Too many people look at Kubina's goals and think he's a puckmover. He's a defensive minded guy who isn't great at handling the puck; but just happens to have a massive shot from the point.

Toronto needs Kubina. A 2nd-rate prospect, 2nd round pick, and salary they don't want makes 0 sense.

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