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03-25-2004, 09:08 PM
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Alexei Ponikarovsky.

I love him.

He's a force.

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I love him.

He's a force.
I said earlier in the season that he has a better upside then Antropov, virtually everyone disagreed with me with the exception of a vast minority so I'm curious if he's changed anyones minds?

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I didn't think he had it in him.

I am a believer now and like his game. Now can he take it higher?

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I've liked him for a couple years now.

After seeing him cover up for pinchers like Cory Cross and Jyrki Lumme.

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He's got the makings of a 2nd line power foward.

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I said earlier in the season that he has a better upside then Antropov, virtually everyone disagreed with me with the exception of a vast minority so I'm curious if he's changed anyones minds?
If I was here earlier in the season, I would have agreed with you :p

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He's got the makings of a 2nd line power foward.
Nah, no he doesn't, no scorer's touch.

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If I was here earlier in the season, I would have agreed with you :p
I think you were here, no idea if you posted.

I honestly see him as a 20-25 goal guy with a great two way game on the second line in the future. I've just loved everything about his game since he started to turn it on a little bit and that's saying a lot considering I was one of the people that was not to high on him when I saw him for the Baby Leafs where in my eyes he should much less effort.

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Nah, joined in December...not sure if that counts as earlier in the year in your eyes :p

edit : because by earlier, I figured you meant the start of the year, or first month or two

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Nah, no he doesn't, no scorer's touch.
He arguably has the most powerful shot on the team, with a little more control I would say he's got plenty of scorers touch. I see him as our second chance at Modin, but he plays a much more physical game and that's not something Modin would do so it makes him all that much more better in my eyes.

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Nah, no he doesn't, no scorer's touch.
He does have the scoring touch.

If you watch him around the net, he'll make some outstanding plays... wrapping the puck around, making a smart pass, and he's got the heaviest shot on the team. I'm amazed how hard he can shoot that puck.

I see a lot of Bobby Holik in him... a far better skater though.

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He arguably has the most powerful shot on the team, with a little more control I would say he's got plenty of scorers touch. I see him as our second chance at Modin, but he plays a much more physical game and that's not something Modin would do so it makes him all that much more better in my eyes.
Perrot has the hardest shot on the team, doesn't he?

He just doesnt have the scorer's touch. He never lit it up anywhere, he was always an all-around player.

To suggest a 25-goal player is a bit too much. He never even scored 25 in AHL, and he's 24 yrs old. He'll be an exellent all around player, a 15 goal, 40 point type of guy that does it all for u- an exellent contributor. But let's not go crazy here, he's never going to be a 25 goal power forward.

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Perrot has the hardest shot on the team, doesn't he?

He just doesnt have the scorer's touch. He never lit it up anywhere, he was always an all-around player.

To suggest a 25-goal player is a bit too much. He never even scored 25 in AHL, and he's 24 yrs old. He'll be an exellent all around player, a 15 goal, 40 point type of guy that does it all for u- an exellent contributor. But let's not go crazy here, he's never going to be a 25 goal power forward.
Agreed. Antropov's offensive upside is much higher, in fact.

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That means nothing... because last year at this time, I'm sure nobody expected him to even be playing in the NHL. To say he'll never be a 25+ goal player is just a guess.

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Perrot has the hardest shot on the team, doesn't he?

He just doesnt have the scorer's touch. He never lit it up anywhere, he was always an all-around player.

To suggest a 25-goal player is a bit too much. He never even scored 25 in AHL, and he's 24 yrs old. He'll be an exellent all around player, a 15 goal, 40 point type of guy that does it all for u- an exellent contributor. But let's not go crazy here, he's never going to be a 25 goal power forward.
Comparing Perrott's shot to Ponikarovsky's is like apples and oranges.

Perrott's shot is powerful, it just takes him about a year to get off. Perrott also had no form of a wrist shot or a snapper.

As I said in a earlier post, I was not a fan of Poni in the AHL. Poni showed no effort and in most instances that I saw him he flat out looked like he had no interest in being down there and that certainly shouldn't be used as a excuse as it's not a positive in any way but it's the truth.

We have a difference of opinion clearly and I'll leave it at that.

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That means nothing... because last year at this time, I'm sure nobody expected him to even be playing in the NHL. To say he'll never be a 25+ goal player is just a guess.
I expected him to play in the NHL. I know many others did as well. A lot of us were upset at the beginning of last season that Hoglund was resigned, and then played over Alex.

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I expected him to play in the NHL. I know many others did as well. A lot of us were upset at the beginning of last season that Hoglund was resigned, and then played over Alex.
Let me rephrase that... not many people expected him to be effective as he's been.

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I expected him to play in the NHL. I know many others did as well. A lot of us were upset at the beginning of last season that Hoglund was resigned, and then played over Alex.
And interestlingly enough, I wasn't one of them despite my distaste for Hoglund.

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Perrot has the hardest shot on the team, doesn't he?

He just doesnt have the scorer's touch. He never lit it up anywhere, he was always an all-around player.

To suggest a 25-goal player is a bit too much. He never even scored 25 in AHL, and he's 24 yrs old. He'll be an exellent all around player, a 15 goal, 40 point type of guy that does it all for u- an exellent contributor. But let's not go crazy here, he's never going to be a 25 goal power forward.
Didn't people say that about Bertuzzi? Obviously Poni is no Bertuzzi, not by a long shot, but he has a lot of room to improve. Considering how much he has improved this year alone when getting regular time, imagine 3-4 years from now as a 28 year old? I'm interested to see what happens...

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Let me rephrase that... not many people expected him to be effective as he's been.
Definately, but the 25 goal part just seems so out of the blue.
We have a tendency to do this to our young guys right after they have a good game, just hype them up like mad, raise our expectations of them beyound their capabilites, and when they dont reach those expectations within a year or 2...ship em off.

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Nah, joined in December...not sure if that counts as earlier in the year in your eyes :p

edit : because by earlier, I figured you meant the start of the year, or first month or two
You have 1600+ posts since December?

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Definately, but the 25 goal part just seems so out of the blue.
We have a tendency to do this to our young guys right after they have a good game, just hype them up like mad, raise our expectations of them beyound their capabilites, and when they dont reach those expectations within a year or 2...ship em off.
You can certainly argue that but the fact is, for me atleast, I'm not just saying this after a good game. I said it earlier in the season and I believe it was the exact same number 20-25 goal guy.

Here's the facts:

Ponikarovsky's got great size, he's got very good speed, he's got a great shot and he's more then capable at covering up mistakes in his own end of the ice. He's clearly got a vast pool of skills and I simply see it being a matter of putting them together, not developing them like some of our other flops.

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What a shot block Poni had tonight. He must have been sucking wind after that happened.

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You can certainly argue that but the fact is, for me atleast, I'm not just saying this after a good game. I said it earlier in the season and I believe it was the exact same number 20-25 goal guy.

Here's the facts:

Ponikarovsky's got great size, he's got very good speed, he's got a great shot and he's more then capable at covering up mistakes in his own end of the ice. He's clearly got a vast pool of skills and I simply see it being a matter of putting them together, not developing them like some of our other flops.
I hope you're right, but I think you're overly optimistic.

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You have 1600+ posts since December?
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