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06-13-2009, 05:23 AM
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2009-10 Penalty Kill

Highlighting the one highlight of our otherwise lackluster regular season do you think the Rangers will repeat as the NHL's top penalty slayer, or be in the top 5? I would say it's one of the few things Torts is going to try his hardest to carry over for next season.

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06-13-2009, 06:27 AM
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Depends whether or not we bring back Betts and Sjostrom.

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06-13-2009, 06:49 AM
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If the contracts are reasonable... both deserve to be back... in terms of filing rolls - those guys were probably among the best on the team!

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06-13-2009, 07:25 AM
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sjostrom dosen't even care about the money , he signed with ny knowing full well they were cap strapped and took what sather gave him , i'm sure he'll do the same now that he has another year under his belt with mostly the same group.

Betts has been here for a long time its either he loves it here or he dosen't ,Betts is 1 of the first guys i wanna see re-signed pronto.

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sjostrom dosen't even care about the money , he signed with ny knowing full well they were cap strapped and took what sather gave him , i'm sure he'll do the same now that he has another year under his belt with mostly the same group.

Betts has been here for a long time its either he loves it here or he dosen't ,Betts is 1 of the first guys i wanna see re-signed pronto.
Betts is gone for cash, Sjostrom is back. I still think they sign Joel Lundqvist as the 4th line C with Dane Byers on the Right Side. I could see Orr being brought back for cheap but Torts won't play him all the time

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06-13-2009, 08:33 AM
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Neither Sjo nor Betts should be getting anything over 1-1.25 million. I don't know if Sjo would garner much more than that on the market, but Betts might. We can only hope he resigns before he hits free agency.

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06-13-2009, 10:04 AM
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i think we will be top 5 still. we still have henke. if betts and sjostrom arent brought back then we wont be as good as last year but wed still have a great united with cally and drury.

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06-13-2009, 10:11 AM
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Detroit will offer Betts a contract. Rangers will too.

But the question is..

Where does he sign??

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06-13-2009, 10:24 AM
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Detroit will offer Betts a contract. Rangers will too.

But the question is..

Where does he sign??
I think he'll remain, unless the detroit contract is that much more lucrative. As for Sjostrom he was one of our best contributors last season and I want to see him with a 3yr before he's offered a chance to roam around greener pastures.

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I think he'll remain, unless the detroit contract is that much more lucrative. As for Sjostrom he was one of our best contributors last season and I want to see him with a 3yr before he's offered a chance to roam around greener pastures.
Neither Sjostrom or Betts contributes anything other than playing on the PK unit and both are expendable. I hope neither is brought back and their roster spots are given to kids.

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Neither Sjostrom or Betts contributes anything other than playing on the PK unit and both are expendable. I hope neither is brought back and their roster spots are given to kids.
If Torts isn't going to role 4 lines, what's the point of playing kids on the fourth?

And it's hard to discount that they do on the PK when it was by far the best aspect of this team last year.

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06-13-2009, 10:43 AM
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Neither Sjostrom or Betts contributes anything other than playing on the PK unit and both are expendable. I hope neither is brought back and their roster spots are given to kids.
The #1 PK unit in the NHL is expendable?

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06-13-2009, 10:46 AM
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This year we saw combos of:
Betts-Sjo
Korpi-Dubi
Drury-Callahan

Id say without all Sjo and Betts shot blocks and effort we are not #1 in the league.

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06-13-2009, 10:59 AM
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I dunno if I can guarantee the Rangers will be one of the best at the PK again...

...but I can guarantee that they won't give up 13-14 SH goals or whatever the hell the # was again!

Torts will rip them a fresh new hole before that happens.

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They should be a great PK and top 5 again if Betts and Sjostrom come back. Without those two we will be good but maybe not top 5

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Sjostrom isn't as important to the PK as Betts is. Sjo can leave, the PK will still thrive. If Betts is gone, not so sure about that.

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Sjostrom isn't as important to the PK as Betts is. Sjo can leave, the PK will still thrive. If Betts is gone, not so sure about that.
I agree, but Sjo is an RFA. He will be qualified.

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as i started reading this topic, and i saw betts was brought up saying he needed to be back, i was counting down the posts before objective tried to blast them....it really confuses me. you dont play anisimov or korpikoski at center on the 4th line, especially when torts is the kind of coach who DOESNT play his 4th line a lot. they will get 5-9 minutes a game, thats when you need guys like betts and sjostrom and orr because they wont complain about playing time as they know there are better players. and also they have specific roles, and they give it their all all the time when they are on the ice. now with byers/orr i think you will see them fight it out for a spot if orr is brought back.

without betts some of those games that we stole this past season we wouldnt have been given the opportunity because of the unbelievable effort he made on the PK. he was vital to our teams success last year. and also between sjostrom and betts they scored a combined 4 shorthanded goals. thats a plus when it comes to your penalty killing.

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06-13-2009, 01:19 PM
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Neither Sjostrom or Betts contributes anything other than playing on the PK unit and both are expendable. I hope neither is brought back and their roster spots are given to kids.
Are you serious, a 89ish% PK is expendable? Without the efforts of Betts and Sjo we don't make the playoffs. If I were to chose one over the other I'd have Betts. Thankfully enough their offensive talent doesn't warrant them a contract above 1.25 maaaaybe 1.5 if their agent is really good.

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Neither Sjostrom or Betts contributes anything other than playing on the PK unit and both are expendable. .
Physical play?

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Neither Sjo nor Betts should be getting anything over 1-1.25 million. I don't know if Sjo would garner much more than that on the market, but Betts might. We can only hope he resigns before he hits free agency.
Neither of them should get that much, either from the Rangers or on the open market. If anything, Sjostrom should get a 10% cut--he's getting 1st round money when he's proved he's nothing more than a 4th line player. And I wouldn't give Betts more than $800,000--a significant raise. And no long term contract either.


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Detroit will offer Betts a contract. Rangers will too.

But the question is..

Where does he sign??
Your source for this nugget? And whom does Betts replace in the Detroit lineup?

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The thing about Betts and Sjostrom is that they're eminently replaceable. If they're willing to come back at like $800K each, then sure, resign them. But if they're looking for seven figure money, let 'em walk, replace 'em with other energy/PK specialists and understand that with the other 4 forwards that made last year's PK 1st in the league, plus the underappreciated D, plus - most importantly - Henrik in goal, the PK will still be top 10 at least.

As to playing kids on the bottom line, I agree that you don't stick kids there who you expect to become top 9 players (e.g. Korpi) when Torts is the coach, but we have plenty of guys who project to be Betts/Sjo-like players (e.g. Moore) who can take their roles.

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The thing about Betts and Sjostrom is that they're eminently replaceable. If they're willing to come back at like $800K each, then sure, resign them. But if they're looking for seven figure money, let 'em walk, replace 'em with other energy/PK specialists and understand that with the other 4 forwards that made last year's PK 1st in the league, plus the underappreciated D, plus - most importantly - Henrik in goal, the PK will still be top 10 at least.

As to playing kids on the bottom line, I agree that you don't stick kids there who you expect to become top 9 players (e.g. Korpi) when Torts is the coach, but we have plenty of guys who project to be Betts/Sjo-like players (e.g. Moore) who can take their roles.
Finally, a voice of reason concerning our 4th line players. The Rangers would have to choose not to send a qualifying contract to Sjostrom and hope he's willing to sign a lesser contract with them (assuming no one else was willing to sign him, since he'd be a UFA in that situation). I'm not sure they would be willing to do that--Torts seems to like his versatility. But, I completely agree with you about Betts. He's good at what he does, but he's only good at one thing and I'm sure he could be replaced without totally compromising the penalty kill.

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Players like Avery, Anisimov(if he makes the team) and Antropov(if he is resigned) can all be used on the pk and do a good job. If Sather tries to sign Gaborik(which I think he will, for better or worse) he is a very good pker

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