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06-13-2009, 02:34 PM
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Malkin's 2009 postseason compared to NHL history

How does Malkin's monster post-season stack up historically? Also Crosby's, to a slightly lesser extent?

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Adjusted PO PTS Leaders


PlayerSEASONFranch.AgePOSAdj. PO GMSAdj. PO GLSAdj. PO ASTAdj. PO PTSResult
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1954-55DET26RW22192443Cup
Ted "Scarface" Lindsay 1954-55DET29LW22142741Cup
Frank "Raffles" Boucher 1927-28NYR25C24172441Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1955-56MTL24C20251540Cup
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1990-91PIT25C23142539Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1984-85EDM23C19142539Cup
Evgeni "Geno" Malkin2008-09PIT22C24152237Cup
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1963-64DET35RW28172037Final
Stan "Stosh" Mikita 1961-62CHI21C24112737Final
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1987-88EDM26C19102636Cup
Fleming "Sukey" Mackell 1957-58BOS28C2492636Final
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1956-57MTL25RW20211435Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1992-93LA31C24132134Final
Phil "Espo" Esposito 1969-70BOS27C19161834Cup
Marty "Goal-a-Game" Barry 1936-37DET31C27102334Cup
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic 1995-96COL26C22171633Cup
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich 1970-71MTL32LW27171633Cup
Norm "Noisy" Ullman 1963-64DET28C28132033Final
Danny "The Cookie Monster" Briere2009-10PHI32RW23131932Final
Jonathan "Captain Serious" Toews 2009-10CHI22C2282432Cup
Sidney "Sid The Kid" Crosby2008-09PIT21C24161632Cup
Brian "Leetchie" Leetch 1993-94NYR25D23102232Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1982-83EDM21C17102232Final
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1964-65CHI25LW28191432Final
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore 1958-59MTL27LW2292332Cup
Don "Skip" Mckenney 1957-58BOS23C24171532Final
Alex "Fats" Delvecchio 1954-55DET23C22141832Cup
Elmer "Nokomis Flash" Lach 1945-46MTL27C1872532Cup
Nels "Big Sam" Stewart 1925-26MTM23C18102232Cup
Brad "Richy" Richards 2003-04TB23C23141631Cup
Peter "Foppa" Forsberg 2001-02COL28C20112131 
Paul "Coff" Coffey 1984-85EDM23D19102131Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1964-65MTL33C26151631Cup
Harry "Big Mum" Mummery 1917-18TOR28D2813031Cup
Patrick "Kaner" Kane 2009-10CHI21RW22111930Cup
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1991-92PIT26C15141630Cup
Mark "Wreckin' Ball" Recchi 1990-91PIT22RW2492130Cup
Guy "The Flower" Lafleur 1976-77MTL25RW19102030Cup
Phil "Espo" Esposito 1971-72BOS29C20111930Cup
Bobby "Number Four" Orr 1971-72BOS23D2062430Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1970-71CHI31LW24131730Final
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1955-56MTL24RW20101930Cup
Bert "Dirty Bertie" Olmstead 1955-56MTL29LW2082230Cup
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard 1955-56MTL34RW20101930Cup
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore 1953-54MTL22LW22111930Final
Frank "Buzz" Boll 1935-36TOR24LW24201030Final
Henrik "Hank" Zetterberg 2007-08DET27C22141529Cup
Sidney "Sid The Kid" Crosby 2007-08PIT20C2072229Final
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic 2000-01COL31C21141429Cup
Pavel "The Russian Rocket" Bure 1993-94VAN22RW24151429Final
Doug "Killer" Gilmour 1992-93TOR29C2182129 
Kevin "Artie" Stevens 1990-91PIT25LW24151429Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1983-84EDM22C20111829Cup
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich 1963-64TOR25LW2882129Cup
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1962-63DET34RW22131729Final
Norm "Noisy" Ullman 1962-63DET27C2272229Final
Larry "Little Dempsey" Aurie 1933-34DET28RW2172329Final
Bill Cook 1927-28NYR29RW2452429Cup
Marian "Hoss" Hossa 2007-08PIT28RW20131528Final
Eric "Staaly" Staal 2005-06CAR21C2591828Cup
Martin "Louie" St. Louis 2003-04TB28RW23111828Cup
Peter "Peter the Great" Forsberg 1998-99COL25C1991928 
Steve "Stevie Wonder" Yzerman 1997-98DET32C2272128Cup
Mark "Mess" Messier 1993-94NYR32C23111728Cup
Mark "Mess" Messier 1987-88EDM26C1991928Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1986-87EDM25C2142428Cup
Rick "Nifty" Middleton 1982-83BOS29RW1891928 
Mike "The Boss" Bossy 1980-81NYI23RW19141428Cup
Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer 1972-73MTL29RW23171228Cup
Tim "Superman" Horton 1961-62TOR31D2452328Cup
Pierre "The Bantam Bouncer" Pilote 1960-61CHI29D2452228Cup
Marcel "The Bear of Joliette" Bonin 1958-59MTL27LW2219928Cup
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard 1957-58MTL36RW2021828Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1954-55MTL23C24121628Final
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1954-55MTL23RW24161128Final
Bill "Cowboy" Cowley 1938-39BOS26C2462228Cup
Steve "Stevie Wonder" Yzerman 2001-02DET36C2372027Cup
Brett "The Golden Brett" Hull 1999-00DAL35RW23121527Final
Mike "Mo" Modano 1998-99DAL28C2362127Cup
Eric "Big E" Lindros 1996-97PHI23C19131527Final
Doug "Killer" Gilmour 1993-94TOR30C1862127 
Barry Pederson 1982-83BOS21C18121527 
Dennis "Silver Jet" Hull 1972-73CHI28LW21101727Final
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1970-71MTL39C2772027Cup
Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer 1970-71MTL27RW27121527Cup
Jim "Pappy" Pappin 1966-67TOR27RW24131527Cup
Norm "Noisy" Ullman 1965-66DET30C24111627Final
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1960-61DET32RW2272027Final
Elwyn "Doc" Romnes1933-34CHI24C1842327Cup
Percival "Perk" Galbraith 1926-27BOS28LW1862127Final
Cory "Stiller" Stillman 2005-06CAR32RW2591626Cup
Jarome "Iggy" Iginla 2003-04CGY26RW26151126Final
Patrik "Patty" Elias 2000-01NJ24LW25101626Final
Milan "The Duke" Hejduk 2000-01COL24RW2381826Cup
Mike "Mo" Modano 1999-00DAL29C23111526Final
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic 1996-97COL27C1781826 
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1995-96PIT30C18111626 
Brian "Bells" Bellows 1990-91DAL26LW2391726Final
Mark "Mess" Messier 1989-90EDM28C2271826Cup
Craig "Simmer" Simpson 1989-90EDM22LW22131226Cup
Jari "The Flying Finn" Kurri 1987-88EDM27RW19111426Cup
Jari "The Flying Finn" Kurri 1984-85EDM24RW19161026Cup
Bryan "Trots" Trottier 1979-80NYI23C22101526Cup
Reggie "The Riverton Rifle" Leach 1975-76PHI25RW2121626Final
Rick "Quick Rick" Macleish 1973-74PHI23C23151126Cup
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich 1972-73MTL34LW23101626Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1960-61CHI21LW2471826Cup
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1955-56DET27RW2061926Final
Earl "Dutch" Reibel 1954-55DET24C22101626Cup
Max "Dipsy Doodle Dandy From Delisle" Bentley 1950-51TOR30C2042226Cup
Ted "Teeder" Kennedy 1947-48TOR22C18141226Cup
Bill Thoms 1935-36TOR25C2491726Final
Frank "Raffles" Boucher 1931-32NYR29C1662026Final
Henrik "Hank" Zetterberg 2008-09DET28C23121325Final
Sergei "FedEx" Fedorov 1994-95DET25C1771825Final
Kevin "Artie" Stevens 1991-92PIT26LW21111325Cup
Al "Chopper" Macinnis 1988-89CGY25D2262025Cup
Guy "The Flower" Lafleur 1978-79MTL27RW21111425Cup
Jacques "Coco" Lemaire 1978-79MTL33C21121325Cup
Larry "Big Bird" Robinson 1977-78MTL26D2052025Cup
John "Chief" Bucyk 1971-72BOS36LW20111425Cup
Bobby "Number Four" Orr 1969-70BOS21D19111425Cup
Bobby Rousseau 1964-65MTL24RW2691625Cup
George "The Chief" Armstrong 1963-64TOR33RW28101625Cup
Leonard "Red" Kelly 1963-64TOR36C2881825Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1961-62CHI22LW24141125Final
Doug "Diesel" Mohns 1957-58BOS24D2461925Final
Floyd "Busher" Curry 1954-55MTL29RW2416925Final
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1953-54MTL22RW22131225Final
Gordie "Lefty" Drillon 1938-39TOR24RW20131225Final
Ceece "Two Gun" Dillon 1932-33NYR24RW1818625Cup
Howie "The Stratford Streak" Morenz 1923-24MTL21C16101525Cup


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Adjusted PO PTS Leaders


PlayerSEASONFranch.AgePOSAdj. PO GMSAdj. PO GLSAdj. PO ASTAdj. PO PTSResult
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1954-55DET26RW22192443Cup
Frank "Raffles" Boucher 1927-28NYR25C24172441Cup
Ted "Scarface" Lindsay 1954-55DET29LW22142741Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1955-56MTL24C20251540Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1984-85EDM23C19142539Cup
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1990-91PIT25C23142539Cup
Evgeni "Geno" Malkin2008-09PIT24C21152237Cup
Stan "Stosh" Mikita 1961-62CHI21C24112737Final
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1963-64DET35RW28172037Final
Fleming "Sukey" Mackell 1957-58BOS28C2492636Final
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1987-88EDM26C19102636Cup
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1956-57MTL25RW20211435Cup
Marty "Goal-a-Game" Barry 1936-37DET31C27102334Cup
Phil "Espo" Esposito 1969-70BOS27C19161834Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1992-93LA31C24132134Final
Norm "Noisy" Ullman 1963-64DET28C28132033Final
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich 1970-71MTL32LW27171633Cup
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic 1995-96COL26C22171633Cup
Sidney "Sid The Kid" Crosby2008-09PIT24C21161632Cup
Nels "Big Sam" Stewart 1925-26MTM23C18102232Cup
Elmer "Nokomis Flash" Lach 1945-46MTL27C1872532Cup
Alex "Fats" Delvecchio 1954-55DET23C22141832Cup
Don "Skip" Mckenney 1957-58BOS23C24171532Final
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore 1958-59MTL27LW2292332Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1964-65CHI25LW28191432Final
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1982-83EDM21C17102232Final
Brian "Leetchie" Leetch 1993-94NYR25D23102232Cup
Harry "Big Mum" Mummery 1917-18TOR28D2813031Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1964-65MTL33C26151631Cup
Paul "Coff" Coffey 1984-85EDM23D19102131Cup
Peter "Foppa" Forsberg 2001-02COL28C20112131 
Brad "Richy" Richards 2003-04TB23C23141631Cup
Frank "Buzz" Boll 1935-36TOR24LW24201030Final
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore 1953-54MTL22LW22111930Final
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1955-56MTL24RW20101930Cup
Bert "Dirty Bertie" Olmstead 1955-56MTL29LW2082230Cup
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard 1955-56MTL34RW20101930Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1970-71CHI31LW24131730Final
Phil "Espo" Esposito 1971-72BOS29C20111930Cup
Bobby "Number Four" Orr 1971-72BOS23D2062430Cup
Guy "The Flower" Lafleur 1976-77MTL25RW19102030Cup
Mark "Wreckin' Ball" Recchi 1990-91PIT22RW2492130Cup
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1991-92PIT26C15141630Cup
Middleton's 33 points in 17 games in '83 didn't make it? Or Bossy's 35 in 18 in '81?

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Middleton's 33 points in 17 games in '83 didn't make it? Or Bossy's 35 in 18 in '81?
Once the point totals where normalized, those two dropped.

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Next time, please use a thread title which actually might convey what it is that you'd like to talk about. Thanks.

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How do you come up with those adjusted numbers pnep?

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How do you come up with those adjusted numbers pnep?
Goals per Games, Assist per Goals, Players Time on Ice, Schedule length

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Adjusted PO PTS Leaders


PlayerSEASONFranch.AgePOSAdj. PO GMSAdj. PO GLSAdj. PO ASTAdj. PO PTSResult
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1954-55DET26RW22192443Cup
Frank "Raffles" Boucher 1927-28NYR25C24172441Cup
Ted "Scarface" Lindsay 1954-55DET29LW22142741Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1955-56MTL24C20251540Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1984-85EDM23C19142539Cup
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1990-91PIT25C23142539Cup
Evgeni "Geno" Malkin2008-09PIT24C21152237Cup
Stan "Stosh" Mikita 1961-62CHI21C24112737Final
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe 1963-64DET35RW28172037Final
Fleming "Sukey" Mackell 1957-58BOS28C2492636Final
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1987-88EDM26C19102636Cup
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1956-57MTL25RW20211435Cup
Marty "Goal-a-Game" Barry 1936-37DET31C27102334Cup
Phil "Espo" Esposito 1969-70BOS27C19161834Cup
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1992-93LA31C24132134Final
Norm "Noisy" Ullman 1963-64DET28C28132033Final
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich 1970-71MTL32LW27171633Cup
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic 1995-96COL26C22171633Cup
Sidney "Sid The Kid" Crosby2008-09PIT24C21161632Cup
Nels "Big Sam" Stewart 1925-26MTM23C18102232Cup
Elmer "Nokomis Flash" Lach 1945-46MTL27C1872532Cup
Alex "Fats" Delvecchio 1954-55DET23C22141832Cup
Don "Skip" Mckenney 1957-58BOS23C24171532Final
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore 1958-59MTL27LW2292332Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1964-65CHI25LW28191432Final
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky 1982-83EDM21C17102232Final
Brian "Leetchie" Leetch 1993-94NYR25D23102232Cup
Harry "Big Mum" Mummery 1917-18TOR28D2813031Cup
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau 1964-65MTL33C26151631Cup
Paul "Coff" Coffey 1984-85EDM23D19102131Cup
Peter "Foppa" Forsberg 2001-02COL28C20112131 
Brad "Richy" Richards 2003-04TB23C23141631Cup
Frank "Buzz" Boll 1935-36TOR24LW24201030Final
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore 1953-54MTL22LW22111930Final
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 1955-56MTL24RW20101930Cup
Bert "Dirty Bertie" Olmstead 1955-56MTL29LW2082230Cup
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard 1955-56MTL34RW20101930Cup
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull 1970-71CHI31LW24131730Final
Phil "Espo" Esposito 1971-72BOS29C20111930Cup
Bobby "Number Four" Orr 1971-72BOS23D2062430Cup
Guy "The Flower" Lafleur 1976-77MTL25RW19102030Cup
Mark "Wreckin' Ball" Recchi 1990-91PIT22RW2492130Cup
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux 1991-92PIT26C15141630Cup
I've seen a number of these all time playoff lists now. Some of them have even had adjusted totals such as yours. WHY DOES EVERY LIST OMIT MARK "THE MOOSE" MESSIER'S 11G 23A 34pts in 19 playoff games (1988)? Dig deeper guys.

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I've seen a number of these all time playoff lists now. Some of them have even had adjusted totals such as yours. WHY DOES EVERY LIST OMIT MARK "THE MOOSE" MESSIER'S 11G 23A 34pts in 19 playoff games (1988)? Dig deeper guys.
Relax my friend. There's no omission there, it simply does not make the cut. 34 points in 1988 roughly adjust to 28-29 points, so not enough to make pnep's list.

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I've seen a number of these all time playoff lists now. Some of them have even had adjusted totals such as yours. WHY DOES EVERY LIST OMIT MARK "THE MOOSE" MESSIER'S 11G 23A 34pts in 19 playoff games (1988)? Dig deeper guys.
Because pnep's list is only showing totals that adjust to 30 or more points in a season. Messier's 34 points in 1988 probably adjusts to about 27 in that chart (basing that calculation on what Gretzky's total from that year adjusts to).

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I've seen a number of these all time playoff lists now. Some of them have even had adjusted totals such as yours. WHY DOES EVERY LIST OMIT MARK "THE MOOSE" MESSIER'S 11G 23A 34pts in 19 playoff games (1988)? Dig deeper guys.
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Total Adjusted PO PTS Leaders


PlayerPOSAdj. PO GMSAdj. PO GLSAdj. PO ASTAdj. PO PTSAdj PO PTS per 24 Adj PO Games
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky C21310622132736.85
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe RW30712918731624.70
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau C29514117331425.55
Mark "Mess" Messier C2419516325825.69
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion RW26111512123621.70
Stan "Stosh" Mikita C2528613722321.24
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard RW2641398422320.27
Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard C3067913521416.78
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore LW2588412621019.53
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull LW20010010720724.84
Alex "Fats" Delvecchio C2396813820620.69
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic C1728911320228.19
Ted "Scarface" Lindsay LW2659110619717.84
Jari "The Flying Finn" Kurri RW2058910719622.95
Nicklas "Lidas" Lidstrom D2585813819618.23
Peter "Peter the Great" Forsberg C1517011918930.04
Brett "The Golden Brett" Hull RW2011008818822.45
Steve "Stevie Wonder" Yzerman C1967011618622.78
Leonard "Red" Kelly D3276511818313.43
Sergei "FedEx" Fedorov C1835412918324.00
Jaromir "Jags" Jagr RW1697810518325.99
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich LW2397710518218.28
Glenn "Mork" Anderson RW2307810218018.78
Paul "Coff" Coffey D1995312217521.11
Doug "Killer" Gilmour C1845411617022.17
Phil "Espo" Esposito C190749516921.35
Ray "Bubba" Bourque D2173713016718.47
Bryan "Trots" Trottier C2406210116316.30
Jacques "Coco" Lemaire C194709016019.79
Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer RW218807915917.50
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux C107708915935.66
Mike "Mo" Modano C174619415521.38
Denis "Baby Bear" Potvin D2105210115317.49
Claude "Pepe" Lemieux RW234767615215.59
Al "Chopper" Macinnis D1793711315020.11
Denis "The Magician" Savard C172579315020.93


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Relax my friend. There's no omission there, it simply does not make the cut. 34 points in 1988 roughly adjust to 28-29 points, so not enough to make pnep's list.
Didn't mean to offend. I certainly appreciate the work you put into your calculations.

But seeing Messier's totals from 1988 omitted from EVERY graphic shown on HNIC when comparing Malkin with the greatest irks me.

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At the very least, the best two individual performances since Joe Sakic's in '96.

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Total Adjusted PO PTS Leaders


PlayerPOSAdj. PO GMSAdj. PO GLSAdj. PO ASTAdj. PO PTSAdj PO PTS per 24 Adj PO Games
Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky C21310622132736.85
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe RW30712918731624.70
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau C29514117331425.55
Mark "Mess" Messier C2419516325825.69
Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion RW26111512123621.70
Stan "Stosh" Mikita C2528613722321.24
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard RW2641398422320.27
Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard C3067913521416.78
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore LW2588412621019.53
Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull LW20010010720724.84
Alex "Fats" Delvecchio C2396813820620.69
Joe "Burnaby Joe" Sakic C1728911320228.19
Ted "Scarface" Lindsay LW2659110619717.84
Jari "The Flying Finn" Kurri RW2058910719622.95
Peter "Peter the Great" Forsberg C1517011918930.04
Brett "The Golden Brett" Hull RW2011008818822.45
Steve "Stevie Wonder" Yzerman C1967011618622.78
Leonard "Red" Kelly D3276511818313.43
Sergei "FedEx" Fedorov C1835412918324.00
Jaromir "Jags" Jagr RW1697810518325.99
Frank "Big M" Mahovlich LW2397710518218.28
Glenn "Mork" Anderson RW2307810218018.78
Nicklas "Lidas" Lidstrom D2354912717617.97
Paul "Coff" Coffey D1995312217521.11
Doug "Killer" Gilmour C1845411617022.17
Phil "Espo" Esposito C190749516921.35
Ray "Bubba" Bourque D2173713016718.47
Bryan "Trots" Trottier C2406210116316.30
Jacques "Coco" Lemaire C194709016019.79
Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer RW218807915917.50
Mario "The Magnificent" Lemieux C107708915935.66
Mike "Mo" Modano C174619415521.38
Denis "Baby Bear" Potvin D2105210115317.49
Claude "Pepe" Lemieux RW234767615215.59
Al "Chopper" Macinnis D1793711315020.11
Denis "The Magician" Savard C172579315020.93
Very interesting stuff and it looks like Lidstrom is going to be the number 1 Dman all time, if he hasn't passed Kelly already after th 10 season.

Makes me wonder if anyone will ever catch him and if he will crack into the top 10 of all time which is Hull at 207.

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At the very least, the best two individual performances since Joe Sakic's in '96.
Got to agree with this. Malkin's Conn Smythe was the best I saw since Sakic in 1996. When the final arrived in 2009 Wings coach Babcock made a choice to shadow Crosby like he was the last man on earth. This was successful, but Malkin was left to wander with a lot more freedom. Thankfully Malkin stepped up and got 8 points in the 7 games which is a big reason why the Pens didn't win in 2008 (Crosby did his part but Malkin did not in the final).

Plus he was amazing in that Carolina series. That backhand behind the back goal against Ward was eye popping. He was simply just dominant.

Crosby on the other hand was stronger in the first three rounds combined but Malkin was better in the final. Crosby put on arguably the best show I have ever seen in a playoff series vs. Washington. He outduelled Ovechkin and in all honesty this would be on a short, short list of best play ever in a series by a player.

The only Conn Smythe performance close to either one of these guys since 1996 would be Richards in 2004 and Zetterberg in 2008.

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Got to agree with this. Malkin's Conn Smythe was the best I saw since Sakic in 1996. When the final arrived in 2009 Wings coach Babcock made a choice to shadow Crosby like he was the last man on earth. This was successful, but Malkin was left to wander with a lot more freedom. Thankfully Malkin stepped up and got 8 points in the 7 games which is a big reason why the Pens didn't win in 2008 (Crosby did his part but Malkin did not in the final).

Plus he was amazing in that Carolina series. That backhand behind the back goal against Ward was eye popping. He was simply just dominant.

Crosby on the other hand was stronger in the first three rounds combined but Malkin was better in the final. Crosby put on arguably the best show I have ever seen in a playoff series vs. Washington. He outduelled Ovechkin and in all honesty this would be on a short, short list of best play ever in a series by a player.

The only Conn Smythe performance close to either one of these guys since 1996 would be Richards in 2004 and Zetterberg in 2008.
imo, that is not enough appreciated. zetterberg played smothering D, was great on PK and had 27p. actually had 29p, but lost 2a on BS disallowed goals (lidstrom and datsyuk both lost 1g, 1a). game 4 vs dallas, game 1 vs pittsburgh.

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Got to agree with this. Malkin's Conn Smythe was the best I saw since Sakic in 1996. When the final arrived in 2009 Wings coach Babcock made a choice to shadow Crosby like he was the last man on earth. This was successful, but Malkin was left to wander with a lot more freedom. Thankfully Malkin stepped up and got 8 points in the 7 games which is a big reason why the Pens didn't win in 2008 (Crosby did his part but Malkin did not in the final).

Plus he was amazing in that Carolina series. That backhand behind the back goal against Ward was eye popping. He was simply just dominant.

Crosby on the other hand was stronger in the first three rounds combined but Malkin was better in the final. Crosby put on arguably the best show I have ever seen in a playoff series vs. Washington. He outduelled Ovechkin and in all honesty this would be on a short, short list of best play ever in a series by a player.

The only Conn Smythe performance close to either one of these guys since 1996 would be Richards in 2004 and Zetterberg in 2008.
You're missing one key point regarding the '09 finals and why Babcock was forced to focus on only Crosby...Datsyuk was hurt and missed the first 4 games and when he came back he wasn't at 100%. If Datsyuk played the whole series (and was relatively healthy) he would have probably been matched up against Malkin. Malkin may not have won the Conn Smythe or Cup with Datsyuk on him all series.

Zetterberg (and Lidstrom) did their job against Crosby shutting him down for most of the series. Missing Datsyuk was huge.

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You're missing one key point regarding the '09 finals and why Babcock was forced to focus on only Crosby...Datsyuk was hurt and missed the first 4 games and when he came back he wasn't at 100%. If Datsyuk played the whole series (and was relatively healthy) he would have probably been matched up against Malkin. Malkin may not have won the Conn Smythe or Cup with Datsyuk on him all series.

Zetterberg (and Lidstrom) did their job against Crosby shutting him down for most of the series. Missing Datsyuk was huge.
And to this point:

Games 1-4 (without Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin racked up 7 points.

Games 5-7 (with Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin collected 1 assist.

"Huge" is an understatement. Despite not producing offensively that postseason (which relates to his lack of offensive chemistry with Hossa), Datsyuk still finished +5. His defensive game was extremely valuable.

In regards to the best individual postseasons since Sakic's in 96, assuming all players, Giguere in 03 and Pronger in 06 also rank right up there with Malkin and Zetterberg.

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Got to agree with this. Malkin's Conn Smythe was the best I saw since Sakic in 1996. When the final arrived in 2009 Wings coach Babcock made a choice to shadow Crosby like he was the last man on earth. This was successful, but Malkin was left to wander with a lot more freedom. Thankfully Malkin stepped up and got 8 points in the 7 games which is a big reason why the Pens didn't win in 2008 (Crosby did his part but Malkin did not in the final).

Plus he was amazing in that Carolina series. That backhand behind the back goal against Ward was eye popping. He was simply just dominant.

Crosby on the other hand was stronger in the first three rounds combined but Malkin was better in the final. Crosby put on arguably the best show I have ever seen in a playoff series vs. Washington. He outduelled Ovechkin and in all honesty this would be on a short, short list of best play ever in a series by a player.

The only Conn Smythe performance close to either one of these guys since 1996 would be Richards in 2004 and Zetterberg in 2008.
Crosby definitely took it to a different level vs Washington (13 points), but I recall Malkin being the stronger player in both the Philly and Carolina series....as well as the finals.

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Crosby definitely took it to a different level vs Washington (13 points), but I recall Malkin being the stronger player in both the Philly and Carolina series....as well as the finals.
I recall them being pretty much equals against Philly, Crosby better against Pittsburgh, Malkin better against Carolina and Detroit.

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And to this point:

Games 1-4 (without Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin racked up 7 points.

Games 5-7 (with Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin collected 1 assist.

"Huge" is an understatement. Despite not producing offensively that postseason (which relates to his lack of offensive chemistry with Hossa), Datsyuk still finished +5. His defensive game was extremely valuable.

In regards to the best individual postseasons since Sakic's in 96, assuming all players, Giguere in 03 and Pronger in 06 also rank right up there with Malkin and Zetterberg.
they had negative chemistry. they were more effective separately, and their production almost immediately declined when they were rejoined at the end of the season.

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Crosby definitely took it to a different level vs Washington (13 points), but I recall Malkin being the stronger player in both the Philly and Carolina series....as well as the finals.
imo, crosby was a bit better vs philadelphia.

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And to this point:

Games 1-4 (without Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin racked up 7 points.

Games 5-7 (with Datsyuk on the ice): Malkin collected 1 assist.

"Huge" is an understatement. Despite not producing offensively that postseason (which relates to his lack of offensive chemistry with Hossa), Datsyuk still finished +5. His defensive game was extremely valuable.
Datsyuk joined Zetterberg's line when he returned from injury (which went against Crosby's line). Malkin's lack of scoring during the final three games had nothing to do with Datsyuk.

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Crosby was better against Philly. It's not entirely evident from stats, but go have a look through the old 5 up/5 down thread from the Penguins board during that series and you'll get a better sense of what happened.

Crosby was obviously better against Washington.

Malkin was obviously better against Carolina, though the ease of that series takes a little bit of the shine off it for me.

As for Detroit, personally I thought that neither was very good. But Malkin has the edge here. Though Crosby had to deal with Zetterberg and Lidstrom on every shift.

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Datsyuk joined Zetterberg's line when he returned from injury (which went against Crosby's line). Malkin's lack of scoring during the final three games had nothing to do with Datsyuk.
that is true, and i don't know why i did not think to mention it.

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