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I realize it's not the most realistic situation and I'm kind of taking a page out of the EHM guide being a GM (i.e. asset management), but I'm curious to see what teams are willing to give up for Sergei Gonchar...
Gonchar just turned 35 in April, has a $5 million cap hit this season and then becomes a UFA...
19 points in 25 games in 08-09 (pace: 62 points), 14 points in 22 playoff games
In 07-08: 65 points in 78 games, 14 points in 20 playoff games...
Has shaken off the "offense only" tag on him...has become one of the best all-around defenders on the Pens and for long stretches is the best offensive weapon and shutdown guy...isn't afraid to use his hard, accurate point shot, smooth passer, smooth skater, joins the rush, power play quarterback, works well with any D partner, played a grittier game in the playoffs, still doesn't like to be the first one to the boards on puck retrieval...
In 07-08 it wasn't unreasonable to think of him as a Norris candidate...he was very good in 08-09 as well, easily a top 20 defenseman in the league, a good argument for top 10 (but that's not what this thread is about)...
What is your team willing to give up to get him? (There's enough deals involving the Pens here to know what their approximate needs are)...
I dont think there is any chance that the Penguins move Gonchar........ but some thoughts on what the Pens would need.
Neither Letang or Gogo are ready to run the PP as yet, so any offer is going to have to include a Dman that can do that job at a cheaper price than Gonch.
That Dman is going to be of some value to a team so the rest of the deal isnt likely to be all that impressive. Probably looking at a prospect (winger) or something of that nature.
Umm yeah, you JUST won the cup and now you plan on trading your best dman??? Yeah because teams do this all the time. Pronger carried his tea to the finals, he was cheating on his wife with a HOT news caster, his wife found out and told him she was leaving Edm and that he'd better follow and THAT'S the ONLY reason he was traded, his WIFE forced him to force Edm to trade him. As far as I know Gonchar isn't doing a hot newscaster in Pittsburgh and his wife found out telling his she's leaving him if he stays in Edm.
Should have tried and resigned him then. I'm pretty sure he's going to stay and Pittsburgh would keep him as they need a pp guy and he helps Malkin out a lot.
Should have tried and resigned him then. I'm pretty sure he's going to stay and Pittsburgh would keep him as they need a pp guy and he helps Malkin out a lot.
Yea, I agree, they should have signed him. But like the guy said, this is hypothetical.
I love Gonchar a lot, but keep dreaming. He's not worth that.
That's alright, we'll keep him then. A deal's really only worth it if it properly addresses our needs, and there's no reason to trade a Cup-winning blueline cornerstone, elite PP quarterback who's solid in his own end for anything less than that.
That's alright, we'll keep him then. A deal's really only worth it if it properly addresses our needs, and there's no reason to trade a Cup-winning blueline cornerstone, elite PP quarterback who's solid in his own end for anything less than that.
It has to be fair from both ends. Gonchar is a good player, but at his age, not someone that a team will go over the top for. If Letang continues his development, as well as Goligoski, I could very well see Gonchar being shopped for a winger (depending what happens this offseason with that).
Letang, Goligoski, Orpik, Scuderi, Eaton, and someone like Gil is a pretty solid D.
Umm yeah, you JUST won the cup and now you plan on trading your best dman??? Yeah because teams do this all the time. Pronger carried his tea to the finals, he was cheating on his wife with a HOT news caster, his wife found out and told him she was leaving Edm and that he'd better follow and THAT'S the ONLY reason he was traded, his WIFE forced him to force Edm to trade him. As far as I know Gonchar isn't doing a hot newscaster in Pittsburgh and his wife found out telling his she's leaving him if he stays in Edm.
I don't think they are any hot newscasters in Pittsburgh for Gonch except maybe Sonni Abatta? But would Gonch even want to go there after the likes of Kris Beech did? I doubt it.
Anyway, Since we've won the Cup we should be looking to trade our best D-Man. Why? It's just time to get back to Penguin business.... tank, tank, tank. It's what we're known for, right?
It has to be fair from both ends. Gonchar is a good player, but at his age, not someone that a team will go over the top for. If Letang continues his development, as well as Goligoski, I could very well see Gonchar being shopped for a winger (depending what happens this offseason with that).
Letang, Goligoski, Orpik, Scuderi, Eaton, and someone like Gil is a pretty solid D.
I happen to think a player with Gonchar's resume and skillset earns a premium, though I'm sure that opinion, on a site dedicated to prospects, won't gain much traction.
With everything he currently brings to the table, he just about irreplaceable. A Cup lynchpin with elite offense and solid defense. After Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger, Boyle, and Zubov, who else is there?
Never mind that Gonchar's the youngest of that group aside from Pronger and Boyle, and he's just barely older than Pronger.
That's alright, we'll keep him then. A deal's really only worth it if it properly addresses our needs, and there's no reason to trade a Cup-winning blueline cornerstone, elite PP quarterback who's solid in his own end for anything less than that.
Gonchar isn't going to have a major impact for the stars. You could get a solid package for Gonchar to a team that has a good chance to win the cup.
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I happen to think a player with Gonchar's resume and skillset earns a premium, though I'm sure that opinion, on a site dedicated to prospects, won't gain much traction.
With everything he currently brings to the table, he just about irreplaceable. A Cup lynchpin with elite offense and solid defense. After Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger, Boyle, and Zubov, who else is there?
Never mind that Gonchar's the youngest of that group aside from Pronger and Boyle, and he's just barely older than Pronger.
Markov and Timonen are up there with Gonchar as well, unless you're going to say they're worth less than Gonchar, because Gonchar won the cup and they haven't ?
Zubov seems to be pretty much done and I'd be surprised if he played another year.
Gonchar isn't going to have a major impact for the stars. You could get a solid package for Gonchar to a team that has a good chance to win the cup.
Well, it's hard to say. I wouldn't count Dallas out at all since Avery's been excised and Morrow's coming back.
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Markov and Timonen are up there with Gonchar as well, unless you're going to say they're worth less than Gonchar, because Gonchar won the cup and they haven't ?
It's not necessarily that they're worth less, but a Cup-contending team is going to want someone who's been there and won it. Fedotenko's not more valuable than a lot of borderline top 6 wingers, but he'd be worth more than most to a team that wanted to win it all.
That experience, especially from someone who was a big player in the Cup run, is huge.
Neither Letang or Gogo are ready to run the PP as yet...
I think Letang found his mojo during the cup run. He's my choice for reg season break out d-man of the year next season (a la Mike Green this season), which will certainly make not re-signing Gonchar a lot easier during the summer 2010. By the way, that's also when Letang becomes an RFA.
