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07-05-2009, 09:31 AM
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No way. Dumping Meech doesn't do it because the team won't have the cap room.
i don't care about the cap here. it's simply a sports decision. i don't think meech belongs to the NHL.
to carry a player who is simply too bad can't be a possibility.

i would rather carry only 6 Ds (with lilja on LTIR) and sign a stafford-like AHLer to provide depth. someone who can go thru waivers and will pass.

but i don't see a reason to carry 7 D.

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07-05-2009, 09:36 AM
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i don't care about the cap here. it's simply a sports decision. i don't think meech belongs to the NHL.
to carry a player who is simply too bad can't be a possibility.

i would rather carry only 6 Ds (with lilja on LTIR) and sign a stafford-like AHLer to provide depth. someone who can go thru waivers and will pass.

but i don't see a reason to carry 7 D.
I dunno I think Meech-Ericsson would be the best 3rd pair for us.

1st its the most cap friendly.
2nd Meech will be cheep long term.
3rd He has some offense to feed ericsson
4th Ericsson's size helps bail out meech, meech's smarts can bail out ericsson
5th. Should kindl/Kolsov beat out Meech he can be carried as a 7th for the lowest cap hit possible and play forward during injuries.

You really cant get a better 7th than meech.

Im not adverse to Lebda with meech at the 7th either ofc. But I see no reason to cut meech when hes in the sub 500k class.

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07-05-2009, 09:52 AM
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A swedish journalist reports that we might see PJ Axelsson in a Red Wings uniform next season. Have you guys heard any of this?
I read something about that on the Boston board around a month ago and I posted it in the Free Agent thread. I doubt it will happen though.

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07-05-2009, 10:03 AM
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i don't care about the cap here. it's simply a sports decision. i don't think meech belongs to the NHL.
to carry a player who is simply too bad can't be a possibility.

i would rather carry only 6 Ds (with lilja on LTIR) and sign a stafford-like AHLer to provide depth. someone who can go thru waivers and will pass.

but i don't see a reason to carry 7 D.
If you're saying Lilja is a better defenseman than Meech, of course he is better. The cap doesn't let you make those decisions any longer. Hossa is a better forward than Hudler. Moot point.

I just don't think Kenny is ready to go to 6 signed D. After the 2007 playoff run, he seemed to want to have 8D signed, not just seven. (btw, Quincey cost about as much as Meech, so, yeah, Cheli was really worth keeping.... grrrr.)

I'm just reminding you that Holland doesn't have enough room to do everything he wants. 7D including Lilja, 12 forwards, including Hudler, Leino and an UFA depth guy--- probably means no Gator if he gets the UFA.

If Hudler isn't kept, then they have to sign Leino, bring up Gator, and sign an UFA. If they can get Leino and the UFA for a combined $2 MM and dump Meech, they have about $1MM of cap space left....

(also means they lost 80G off the roster)

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07-05-2009, 10:09 AM
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I miss Quincey as well... But I still think Meech has a fair bit to prove. Last year he grew a bit but I still dont think weve seen everything he brings to the table. I think Ericsson will bring out the best in him.

Same could be said for Rafalski... Ericsson+Rafi pair would be really nice as well.

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07-05-2009, 11:18 AM
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I miss Quincey as well... But I still think Meech has a fair bit to prove. Last year he grew a bit but I still dont think weve seen everything he brings to the table. I think Ericsson will bring out the best in him.

Same could be said for Rafalski... Ericsson+Rafi pair would be really nice as well.
we will probably see rafi + ericsson if lids retire after this season (not that i want that)

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07-05-2009, 02:25 PM
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No way. Dumping Meech doesn't do it because the team won't have the cap room.

I plugged in Jiri @ $2.5MM (I don't see it going lower than that, and it might higher); Leino at $1 MM; added Abelkader...... the Wings are $1.02 MM over the cap.

If they dump Meech and keep Gator off the roster, they can sign an UFA forward for about $750K and have ~$312K of cap space left. Not enough for Gator; and this assumes that Jiri and Leino can be re-signed for $$3.5 MM between the two of them.

That last scenario has the team with only 11 forwards signed...
has anyone heard an update on Homer's condition(s)?
i'm gonna guess he has early/pre-season surgery for a little early-season cap relief (to squeeze Huds, Leino, UFA and/or Gator in), and keep him fresh for the playoff run.

so, who are our UFA hopefuls? i've seen a couple want lists in a couple different threads, but here's mine (no, not all of them, but one or two of em, in no particular order):

Marchant (probably too expensive)
Moore (probably too expensive)
Malhotra (probably too expensive)
Moen (probably too expensive)
Axelsson
Peca
York
Veilleux
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went digging for this; updated with Hudler & Eaves numbers.

we've got a little more than $2mil in space if Gator stays with the Griffs, about $1.15mil if he stays with the Wings (with a $140k overage allowance for bonus money.)

either way, i'm comfortable with this cushion. gives us enough room to make a serious move at the deadline if it's needed.

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08-05-2009, 07:16 PM
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hey so call me crazy but does anyone think the 10/11 off season wil be big for the wings?, they get rid of holmstrom, malbty, osgood lilja, which clears around 5 mil lets say plus you have hudler which is around 3 mil then you got the 2 mill left over from this year off season could clear up around 10 mill for a guy like luongo or nabokov might even stil be able to sign lidstrom for a year or 2 for around 4.5-5.5 mill
haha prob a dumb poste but i was lookin into it they could have alot of free cap space


ps lilja worst redwing

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08-05-2009, 08:25 PM
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Without Lilja and Abdelkader, there is a little over 3 mil to spend. That could get us a good player if they are comfortable carrying 12 forwards and 7 defensemen.... which I doubt they are. But throw Downey or D Mac on the roster, and that number becomes around 2.5... still a nice sum. Probably not enough for Tanguay or Sundin, but maybe the right price for Prospal.

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08-05-2009, 08:46 PM
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We can't forget that while there may be 2.5-3m to the cap ceiling, you need to have wiggle room for call ups and deadline moves.

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08-09-2009, 08:50 AM
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OVERVIEW: we've got $56.8 million to play with, about $54.8 million spoken for, and need 1-2 more forwards with the remaining $2 million to fill out the roster.
hope this continues to be of use to ya'll. happy off-seasoning!


[use a handy roster building/cap calculating tool from capgeek to hypothesize how you hope or think things will shake out.]
[credit to IB's Cap Central for some of the contract information]
[credit to Ansar Khan, Helene St. James, and Bruce MacLeod for some contract news and numbers, as well.]



Detroit Red Wings
#PlayerPosition2009-2010 Cap Hit2010-2011 Cap HitContract Length
 Forwards    
13Pavel DatsyukC/LW$6,700,000$6,700,000thru 2013-14
40Henrik ZetterbergC/LW$6,083,333$6,083,333thru 2020-21
93Johan FranzenC/RW$3,954,545$3,954,545thru 2019-20
51Valtteri FilppulaC/LW$3,000,000$3,000,000thru 2012-13
26Jiri HudlerLW/RW$2,875,000$2,875,000thru 2010-11
11Daniel ClearyC/RW/LW$2,800,000$2,800,000thru 2012-13
96Tomas HolmstromLW/RW$2,250,000$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
33Kris DraperC$1,583,333$1,583,333thru 2010-11
29Jason WilliamsC/RW$1,500,000$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
18Kirk MaltbyLW/RW$883,333$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
21Ville LeinoLW/RW$800,000$800,000thru 2010-11
43Darren HelmC$599,444$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
44Patrick EavesRW$500,000$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
 Defense    
5Nicklas LidstromD$7,450,000$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
28Brian RafalskiD$6,000,000$6,000,000thru 2011-12
23Brad StuartD$3,750,000$3,750,000thru 2011-12
55Niklas KronwallD$3,000,000$3,000,000thru 2011-12
3Andreas LiljaD$1,250,000$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
52Jonathan EricssonD$900,000$900,000thru 2010-11
22Brett LebdaD$650,000$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
14Derek MeechD$483,333$xxx,xxxthru 2009-10
 Goalies    
30Chris OsgoodG$1,416,667$1,416,667thru 2010-11
35Jimmy HowardG$716,667$716,667thru 2010-11
      
 Projected Total: $56,270,655$40,704,545 
 Salary Cap: $56,800,000$56,800,000 
 Cap Space: $529,345$16,095,455 
Notes:
Red = Unrestricted Free Agent
Blue = Restricted Free Agent
Green = 35+ years old at contract signing, cap hit remains [almost] regardless
Purple = player and contract will be suspended, will not count against the cap



  2009-10 Projected Lineup 
L1Valtteri FilppulaPavel DatsyukJason Williams
L2Dan ClearyHenrik ZetterbergJohan Franzen
L3Ville LeinoDarren HelmPatrick Eaves
L4Kirk MaltbyKris DraperTomas Holmstrom
    
D1Nicklas LidstromBrian Rafalski 
D2Niklas KronwallBrad Stuart 
D3Jonathan EricssonBrett Lebda 
IRAndreas Lilja  
EXDerek Meech  
    
G1Chris Osgood  
G2Jimmy Howard  

Well, there you have it! The 2009-10 Red Wings roster.

A smidge more disappointing that any of us expected.

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08-10-2009, 05:18 PM
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Without Lilja and Abdelkader, there is a little over 3 mil to spend. That could get us a good player if they are comfortable carrying 12 forwards and 7 defensemen.... which I doubt they are. But throw Downey or D Mac on the roster, and that number becomes around 2.5... still a nice sum. Probably not enough for Tanguay or Sundin, but maybe the right price for Prospal.
No.

I can't see the Wings wasting that cap space on a late-September castoff, especially someone like Prospal, who only shows up to play every other season. After being handcuffed at last years deadline, I think that's probably what they'll be saving the extra space for this time around.

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08-15-2009, 06:40 PM
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Wow i can't believe Nicklas Lidstrom is making almost 7.5M

Don't get me wrong i think he is a good D-Man but if he was to take a paycut, you guys could sign another goal scorer which would increase your chances of wining the cup next season

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Wow i can't believe Nicklas Lidstrom is making almost 7.5M

Don't get me wrong i think he is a good D-Man but if he was to take a paycut, you guys could sign another goal scorer which would increase your chances of wining the cup next season
Lidstrom will be on the second yr of a two year deal. He's still the main reason the Wings make it to Cup finals-- and win once in a while.

He'll take less after next year. Four Cups, six Norrises should have made him the top paid player in the league, truth be told. If you want to look at ways to have the Wings pay out less so they can add a scorer, Lidstrom isn't where you start.

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So is Lilja likely on LTD........then they are under cap cause right now they are over

http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator.php

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08-19-2009, 12:16 PM
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Too bad we can't trade Draper to get rid of his cap hit. Carolina just signed Yelle for 1/3rd of what we're paying Draper.... and Yelle is younger to boot!

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"When Lidstrom retires, I really don't think you'll be seeing players sign there at discounts to win. I suspect you'll see Detroit turning into a less & less desirable destination as the next few years roll by. Next year though I think may be Detroits one last window for a serious cup run for awhile"


WHERE DO PEOPLE COME UP W THESE CRAZY THOUGHTS.. Lidstrom retiring has nothing to do w the red wings success for the future. If that was the case, the Wings were dead when Yzerman left. And..um..hello non red wings fans...

1) There was a reason why Kronwall was drafted

and

2) a reason Jonathan Ericsson was drafted

to understand what Lidstrom does so well and carry ON the tradition..

people amaze me, w their rational "dumb" thoughts when it comes to why the Red Wings won't be good anymore

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IF Lidstrom retires at the end of this season, I say we take a shot at signing Kovalchuk.

The thrashers still have time to mess up the contract negotiations, and Datsyuk will be playing alongside Kovalchuk during the olympics, what better way to advertise the Wings to him than letting him play with Datsyuk for a while?

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Looking towards next season.

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / * Jiri Hudler ($2.750m)
* Tomas Holmstrom ($2.000m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($1.200m)
* Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m) / * Drew Miller ($0.750m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.750m)
* Kirk Maltby ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
* Andreas Lilja ($0.900m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.638m; CAP ROOM: $0.162m BONUSES: $0.000m

I've estimated FA and RFA salaries. Some may be off by a bit, but this goes to show that we really do not have much room to work with. Lidstrom and Homer have been performing well and probably don't deserve as big of a pay cut as we would like. Maltby, Lebda, Lilja, and Meech will probably have to take pay cuts to stay, which I figure Maltby and Lilja will do. Eaves, Helm, Miller are keepers and I might have underestimated their pay. Abby and Kindl graduate. I've inserted Hudler, but if he doesn't sign, it will probably be some other guy at about that salary.

Not a great cap situation, but not terrible either.

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Looking towards next season.

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / * Jiri Hudler ($2.750m)
* Tomas Holmstrom ($2.000m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($1.200m)
* Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m) / * Drew Miller ($0.750m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.750m)
* Kirk Maltby ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
* Andreas Lilja ($0.900m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.638m; CAP ROOM: $0.162m BONUSES: $0.000m

I've estimated FA and RFA salaries. Some may be off by a bit, but this goes to show that we really do not have much room to work with. Lidstrom and Homer have been performing well and probably don't deserve as big of a pay cut as we would like. Maltby, Lebda, Lilja, and Meech will probably have to take pay cuts to stay, which I figure Maltby and Lilja will do. Eaves, Helm, Miller are keepers and I might have underestimated their pay. Abby and Kindl graduate. I've inserted Hudler, but if he doesn't sign, it will probably be some other guy at about that salary.

Not a great cap situation, but not terrible either.
lidstroms # looks high (i dont think he will ask for that much) and some of the rfa's look a little low imo. what about ritola?

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Well, it's great that tomorrow there won't be any question on goaltending.

Let's get it doen in Phoenix so we can end it at home.

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Well, it's great that tomorrow there won't be any question on goaltending.

Let's get it doen in Phoenix so we can end it at home.
That question will never, ever die for Wings fans. Ever. Year after year it will always come up.

Goaltending is a rather unpredictable player position. Questioning it is part of the nature of it.

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