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06-15-2009, 10:30 AM
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It has been said SO many times, he's not looking for 5mil.
Does anybody know for sure though? Kings fans say this all the time, but I haven't seen any reports, so I don't know for sure what he wants. If he wants over 3 M, he's asking for too much IMO.

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06-15-2009, 10:34 AM
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Does anybody know for sure though? Kings fans say this all the time, but I haven't seen any reports, so I don't know for sure what he wants. If he wants over 3 M, he's asking for too much IMO.
I've seen it attributed to Lombardi, so it seems pretty legitimate.
As for 3mil, it depends on the terms. 2 years 6 mil is a good deal, but 5 years 15 mil, he can do far better.
5 years, I would pay him 18-20. He's going to be a hard hitting, solid defensive, 45-60 point dman.

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06-15-2009, 10:35 AM
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Except for a terrible last month the LA Kings were a competitive team last year.

They were within 3 points of a playoff spot through the first 65 Games. Yes they bombed the last month but i wouldn't call that "nowhere" close to the playoffs.

An elite, veteran puck moving defenseman like Kaberle will get you another 4 or 5 wins. That added onto the fact that this is a young developing team which is getting better and better should be enough alone to get the Kings into the playoffs next year. That's not even considering any other moves they may make in the offseason or at the trade deadline next year.

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He's going to be a hard hitting, solid defensive, 45-60 point dman.

Wow so basically he'll be a top 10 to top 3 defenseman in the League? Thats pretty much his ABSOLUTE maxing out potential. It's incredible how easily people throw out the upper potential of young player as if it's a sure thing.

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06-15-2009, 11:01 AM
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And yeah, I agree that Kaberle + 7th could get Johnson + 5th. I wouldn't be too upset if Burke did it, mostly because I trust him to make the right choice on Johnson, but its not a trade I'd want to make.
Kaberle and the 7th for JJ and probably Schenn would be alright I guess. IF JJ becomes what he can become TO wins that deal and gets WAAY tougher. Right up the alley for Burke

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06-15-2009, 11:04 AM
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If the trade between Anaheim and LA for Pronger doesn't work how about the following:

To Toronto:

Jack Johnson, 5th overall


To L.A.

Kaberle, 2nd round pick, Stralman and Poni

If the package from Toronto is not enough Kaberle + 7th overall?
Drop the 5th overall OR add the 7th overall.

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I doubt L.A does any trade involving them both unless they get a Heatly or Vinny in return but they might consider something like this

Johnson, 5th
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Kabs, Poni, Garbo, 2nd

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06-15-2009, 11:07 AM
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Kaberle and the 7th for Johnson and the 5th seems like pretty good value and helps both teams. The Kings don't really have any big organizational need that they HAVE to fill with that 5th overall pick, so dropping down two spots won't affect them as much as it would the other teams in that position. Kaberle is a proven defenceman who can mentor their young guys, specifically Doughty. Johnson is overrated in my opinion, but he would be force fed minutes in Toronto and would be given an opportunity to show what he's worth. He still is young and has a lot of room to grow. The Leafs get into perfect position to grab Brayden Schenn. It makes sense from both sides, imo.

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06-15-2009, 11:08 AM
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I doubt L.A does any trade involving them both unless they get a Heatly or Vinny in return but they might consider something like this

Johnson, 5th
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Kabs, Poni, Garbo, 2nd
The Leafs' first is going to have to be involved in these deals. Quality>quantity

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06-15-2009, 11:14 AM
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The Leafs' first is going to have to be involved in these deals.
Yes, or the Kings first will not be. Kaberle is so crazy overrated by fans of one team, and so crazy underrated by the fans of the other twenty nine teams. Leafs fans seem to want lottery picks along with blue chip prospects for him and nobody else is willing to part with more than late firsts or early seconds and B level prospects, in any of these trade threads. I think his value is somewhere between the outrageous demands of Leafs fans and the low-ball offers of everyone else. Probably much closer to what other fans are willing to give than what Leafs fans are hoping to recieve, however.


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Yes, or the Kings first will not be. Kaberle is so crazy overrated by fans of one team, and so crazy underrated by the fans of the other twenty nine teams. Leafs fans seem to want lottery picks along with blue chip prospects for him and nobody else is willing to part with more than late firsts or early seconds and B level prospects, in any of these trade threads. I think his value is somewhere between the outrageous demands of Leafs fans and the low-ball offers of everyone else. Probably much closer to what other fans are willing to give than what Leafs fans are hoping to recieve, however.
don't go there---that really winds them up and cuases them to go off the deep end

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don't go there---that really winds them up and cuases them to go off the deep end
No. rt was completely reasonable, and I agree with him. That said, I've never asked for lottery picks for Kaberle, so clearly i'm (and most other normal Leafs fans) not who he's talking about. The return he spelled out is exactly what I expect.

What winds me up is when Oilers fans try to tell me that Gilbert is equal to Kaberle.

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06-15-2009, 11:25 AM
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don't go there---that really winds them up and cuases them to go off the deep end
Perhaps bolding the second part of the same sentence would help in avoiding such reactions.

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No. rt was completely reasonable, and I agree with him. That said, I've never asked for lottery picks for Kaberle, so clearly i'm (and most other normal Leafs fans) not who he's talking about. The return he spelled out is exactly what I expect.

What winds me up is when Oilers fans try to tell me that Gilbert is equal to Kaberle.
Well I am not one of those

Gilbert is still developing and lets look at them in two years---Once Gilbert gets better in his own zone and tweeks his transition game--then the fun begins

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Anywho, since I'm not a fan of any of the teams involved, and won't get angered by the insane replies bound to ensue, what could we throw together that could also factor the Pronger to LA rumors into this thread? Anything where by LA ends up with Pronger, and the fifteenth overall, Anaheim gets Kaberle and the seventh overall, and the Leafs get Jack Johnson and the fifth overall? The idea kind of being the team who ends up with the better defenseman gets the lower pick, and the team that gets the higher pick ends up with the less proven defenseman. This way LA gets Pronger(if the rumors are true, I guess they really want him) and also get a little more compensation(the rumors don't include the fifteenth), Anaheim gets a cheaper replacement for the top-pairing, and an upgraded pick, and the re-building Leafs get the youngest defenseman involved, as well as their crack at Brayden Schenn.

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Kaberle is better than JJ; no question about that....how much more valuable comes down to whether you believe that JJ is a future top pairing guy or just a #3.

But, it it doesn't really make sense for the Kings because Doughty looks to be developing into a player much like Kaberle.... and you don't play 2 guys like that together. The kings also want players who are going to be around a long time.

From the Leafs side, there's no real incentive to move Kaberle for a project unless a significant additional asset is coming back.

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it is like night and day the difference between Pronger and Kabelrle--Pronger will be geting some consideration for the hall of fame and Kaberle--not so much. Kaberle and TO's first could get ya Joihnson and the 5th
Funny how they were almost traded for each other a couple of short years ago then..

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Funny how they were almost traded for each other a couple of short years ago then..
Along with Steen, who was very valuable at the time.

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Kings are not trading Johnson and 5th overall for that... Kaberle is way over hyped. just like every player on fav teams

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Kings are not trading Johnson and 5th overall for that... Kaberle is way over hyped. just like every player on fav teams
Yeah leaf fans will disagree and will suggest that you are a leaf hater and an oiler fan

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Here's an idea that I have...

To Los Angelas: Tomas Kaberle, a 2009 1st round draft pick (7th overall), and Matt Stajan.
To Toronto: Jack Johnson, and a 2009 1st round draft pick (5th overall).

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JJ is a good player, but not sure if the toronto market is good for his development tho

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Thanks, but no thanks. Johnson is your problem.

I already know what the response will be. "Fine, we'll keep him then." Good, you keep Johnson, and we'll keep Kaberle. Everyone is happy.

Time to lock this thread, boys!

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Wow so basically he'll be a top 10 to top 3 defenseman in the League? Thats pretty much his ABSOLUTE maxing out potential. It's incredible how easily people throw out the upper potential of young player as if it's a sure thing.
I see him turning into a Kronwall type player. A little less solid offensively, but that type.
Do you consider Kronwall to be a top 3 dman in the league? The only thing he's top 3 in is Detroit defensmen. Don't blow things out of proportion.

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Thanks, but no thanks. Johnson is your problem.

I already know what the response will be. "Fine, we'll keep him then." Good, you keep Johnson, and we'll keep Kaberle. Everyone is happy.

Time to lock this thread, boys!

Just curious What makes Johnson a problem?

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