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06-15-2009, 08:38 AM
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Boston: Marco Sturm + TB 2nd 2010'

Philly: Simon Gagne


My thinking is that if Kessel were to be traded the Bruins could probably use a little more scoring and Philly could use the cap room. So if Sturm would accept a trade to Philly...



Gagne = 5.25 for 2 more years
Sturm = 3.5 for 2 more years

Sturm + Gagne are very similar players....similar size and age, both play LW, both rely on excellent skating, both are good two way players, both are signed for 2 more years, and both are returning/have returned from serious injuries....it's just that Gagne is the better player...

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No way that ever happens, Philly would never do that. Not to mention Gagne has a NTC.

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That's so far off Gagne's value. What about:

Stuart
2nd

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Gagne

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06-15-2009, 08:46 AM
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i'd say you need to sweeten the pot, but then again, you need a pot first.

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That's so far off Gagne's value. What about:

Stuart
2nd

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Gagne

Why is Sturm + a 2nd "so far off Gagne's value" but Stuart + a 2nd isn't?

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Why is Sturm + a 2nd "so far off Gagne's value" but Stuart + a 2nd isn't?
Stuart is a legitimate shutdown defenseman, and Philly needs a defenseman.

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Why is Sturm + a 2nd "so far off Gagne's value" but Stuart + a 2nd isn't?
Because we need a D-Man in exchange for one of our forwards...


Either way, I think we get *****ed.

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Because we need a D-Man in exchange for one of our forwards...


Either way, I think we get *****ed.

Well one of the reasons why I thought Philly might do the deal is because they would save 1.75 million for each of the next 2 seasons. They could use that savings to help get a good defenseman, especially if Briere was traded.

Gagne would hopefully give a team 30-35 goals, Sturm would hopefully give a team about 25 goals.

Plus Philly would get the 2nd round pick from TB.

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Well one of the reasons why I thought Philly might do the deal is because they would save 1.75 million for each of the next 2 seasons. They could use that savings to help get a good defenseman, especially if Briere was traded.

Gagne would hopefully give a team 30-35 goals, Sturm would hopefully give a team about 25 goals.

Plus Philly would get the 2nd round pick from TB.
Sturm's nice, but if we gave up someone like Gagne...we really need a D-Man in return.

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Gagne for Stuart +1st

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Sturm's nice, but if we gave up someone like Gagne...we really need a D-Man in return.

From a non-Philly fan point of view it just seems that Philly's offense is so loaded that I wasn't sure how people would value Gagne.

6 guys with 25 + goals is pretty impressive.

Plus Giroux + Briere (if he's healthy)

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Gagne for Stuart +1st
I can't see Gagne being a good match in Boston, but if he were I think it would cost more then what's being proposed here:

At Least Sturm, Stuart, 1st.

Issue then being that the cap numbers don't work for Boston.

Gagne being a better player then Sturm is an understatement. The two aren't even in the same class.

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From a non-Philly fan point of view it just seems that Philly's offense is so loaded that I wasn't sure how people would value Gagne.

6 guys with 25 + goals is pretty impressive.

Plus Giroux + Briere (if he's healthy)
That's my point exactly...it is so loaded that we can afford to give up one of those pieces as long as it returns a stud d-man or goaltender...not bring back another 20-25 goal scorer and a pick...It doesn't make our team any different, except a bit worse.

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That's my point exactly...it is so loaded that we can afford to give up one of those pieces as long as it returns a stud d-man or goaltender...not bring back another 20-25 goal scorer and a pick...It doesn't make our team any different, except a bit worse.
That's why I think any deal between Philly and Boston involves Stuart or Wideman going to Philly.

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06-15-2009, 09:27 AM
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That's why I think any deal between Philly and Boston involves Stuart or Wideman going to Philly.
and I would agree.

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They both have NTC, and Gagne is far and away a better player than Sturm in every way possible. We're not going to be looking to clear salary by trading a consistent 70 point player. Start with Stuart+1st 09 or Wideman for Gagne as a basis of a deal.

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From a non-Philly fan point of view it just seems that Philly's offense is so loaded that I wasn't sure how people would value Gagne.

6 guys with 25 + goals is pretty impressive.

Plus Giroux + Briere (if he's healthy)
Well Knuble is a FA , and Lupul is far more likely to be dealt than Gagne.

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It's a bad move for Philly in terms of value coming back, so it's a no-go there. I think Sturm is pretty underrated by most Bruins fans (averaged 28 goals per year the last three years) since they had success after his injury...but he's not worth anything near Gagne in terms of trade value.

But it's also not really logical for Boston. Why would they trade Kessel, presumably only because of money, just to trade for a guy who is going to make more than Kessel next year? IMO, I think Chiarelli should and will try to keep the Bruins roster as close to this year's roster as he can. Salary cap constraints make that tough, and he might have to move a few salaries, but moving Kessel should only be done if they can't afford him, not so that they can acquire another guy making $5+ million.

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But it's also not really logical for Boston. Why would they trade Kessel, presumably only because of money, just to trade for a guy who is going to make more than Kessel next year? IMO, I think Chiarelli should and will try to keep the Bruins roster as close to this year's roster as he can. Salary cap constraints make that tough, and he might have to move a few salaries, but moving Kessel should only be done if they can't afford him, not so that they can acquire another guy making $5+ million.
I was thinking the same thing after I made the point about the value sucking...that why trade Kessel, who may get 5 mill a year, for a guy who gets closer to 6 million when the issue in the first place is $$$?

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Boston is going to have trouble fitting in under the cap, so they won't add salary like this. Plus, Philly wouldn't do this deal imo.

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Boston: Marco Sturm + TB 2nd 2010'

Philly: Simon Gagne


My thinking is that if Kessel were to be traded the Bruins could probably use a little more scoring and Philly could use the cap room. So if Sturm would accept a trade to Philly...



Gagne = 5.25 for 2 more years
Sturm = 3.5 for 2 more years

Sturm + Gagne are very similar players....similar size and age, both play LW, both rely on excellent skating, both are good two way players, both are signed for 2 more years, and both are returning/have returned from serious injuries....it's just that Gagne is the better player...
Gagne >>> Sturm

No thanks...

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Boston: Marco Sturm + TB 2nd 2010'

Philly: Simon Gagne


My thinking is that if Kessel were to be traded the Bruins could probably use a little more scoring and Philly could use the cap room. So if Sturm would accept a trade to Philly...



Gagne = 5.25 for 2 more years
Sturm = 3.5 for 2 more years

Sturm + Gagne are very similar players....similar size and age, both play LW, both rely on excellent skating, both are good two way players, both are signed for 2 more years, and both are returning/have returned from serious injuries....it's just that Gagne is the better player...
What an awful proposal

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I was thinking the same thing after I made the point about the value sucking...that why trade Kessel, who may get 5 mill a year, for a guy who gets closer to 6 million when the issue in the first place is $$$?
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It's NHL '09 type stuff. I think it's easy to get a little squirly in the offseason as a fan and start advocating major moves, when the reality for teams like Philly, Chicago, Boston, Washington (young teams that have gained some playoff experience) is that the best solution is to do everything you can to keep your current roster as consistent as possible. As a Bruins fan, it's fun to propose trades, find out what values guys have, and speculate about how to get a top pairing defenseman. But deep down, the best offseason that I could imagine would be to bring back last year's team pretty much exactly as is, and hope that Bergeron regains his scoring touch and Sturm is healthy.

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Boston and Philly don't appear to be good trade partners. Both have solid offensive depth and both would look to acquire a defenseman in a trade for one of their forwards.

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