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06-29-2009, 09:40 PM
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Not sure why the facepalm. He'd be the starter after the first month, if it's between him and Emery!!

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06-30-2009, 08:13 AM
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Gagne - Richards - Knuble
JvR - Carter - Hartnell
Carcillo - Giroux - Briere
Cote - Powe - Asham

Timonen - Coburn
Pronger - Carle
Parent - Alberts

Emery
Niittymäki

I know JvR probably isn't ready but I could also see him working with Carter and Hartnell. This is a much better team then the one we had going in to the playoffs.

I think Carle will have a great year playing with Pronger but I can also see him being traded for checking line center.

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Not sure why the facepalm. He'd be the starter after the first month, if it's between him and Emery!!
That sounds like a pretty good reason for a facepalm to me.

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06-30-2009, 02:25 PM
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okay ill give this a shot...

Gagne Richards Knuble
Hartnell Carter Recchi
Powe Giroux Briere
Carcillo Betts Asham

Timonen Parent
Coburn Pronger
Jones Alberts

Emery
Backup

Sign Knuble 2 years around 2 million per yr
Sign Recchi 1 year 1.5 so JVR can have a year in the minors and be a call up
Sign Betts for around 800,000 or so for faceoffs and PK
I'd rather keep Carle over Jones, but Carle has a longer contract and more $$ so lose him somehow and resign Alberts for about the same salary
Sign backup for around 1 million

Them numbers added into the current salary come out to somewhere around $54 to $55 million...

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06-30-2009, 02:50 PM
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Gagne - Richards - Knuble
JvR - Carter - Hartnell
Carcillo - Giroux - Briere
Cote - Powe - Asham

Timonen - Coburn
Pronger - Carle
Parent - Alberts

Emery
Niittymäki

I know JvR probably isn't ready but I could also see him working with Carter and Hartnell. This is a much better team then the one we had going in to the playoffs.

I think Carle will have a great year playing with Pronger but I can also see him being traded for checking line center.
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okay ill give this a shot...

Gagne Richards Knuble
Hartnell Carter Recchi
Powe Giroux Briere
Carcillo Betts Asham

Timonen Parent
Coburn Pronger
Jones Alberts

Emery
Backup

Sign Knuble 2 years around 2 million per yr
Sign Recchi 1 year 1.5 so JVR can have a year in the minors and be a call up
Sign Betts for around 800,000 or so for faceoffs and PK
I'd rather keep Carle over Jones, but Carle has a longer contract and more $$ so lose him somehow and resign Alberts for about the same salary
Sign backup for around 1 million

Them numbers added into the current salary come out to somewhere around $54 to $55 million...
Guys, two things.

The chances JVR plays even a half season are slim, and I'm fine with that. The key is you can't figure him into your plans at this point.

Second, we are not signing Knuble, Recchi and Betts. We have too many young guys who will get a chance, so only try to anticipate one or two signings, tops. We could field a whole squad right now, and believe me, these young guys will get a chance.

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Nodl-Powe-Knuble
Carcillo-Ross-Asham
Cote

I see only 1 or 2 forwards brought in tops, and one is a center who wins faceoffs. It's a need and Holmgrem has said that to the public.

so really, we are looking at it this way

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Nodl-FA Forward-Knuble
Carcillo-Powe-Asham
Cote
Ross
Kalinski
Matsumoto
JVR

and even this is a stretch.

More likely one FA and NO Knuble

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Powe-FA Forward-Nodl
Carcillo-Ross-Asham
Cote
Kalinski
Matsumoto
JVR

with Carcillo or Asham moving into the 3rd line if needed (like Nodl is on a cold streak or not earning his ice time

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06-30-2009, 03:18 PM
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Why are people saying we should pick up Betts for faceoffs? He is not good at faceoffs. His FO% last season was 49.3, which was about the same as Richards and barely better than Carter.

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06-30-2009, 04:55 PM
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It would take some ridiculously good negotiating but I think if we are able to sign Knuble, Recchi and Alberts and dump Jones for a bag of chips we would have a top 9 as good as last season and a much better defense. Goalie is up in the air. We would have no wiggle room again though.

Gagne-Richards-Knuble
Hartnell-Carter-Recchi
JVR-Giroux-Briere
Carcillo-Powe-Asham

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i think his contract is a big reason why he is disdained but yeah he isn't a great dman to put it lightly, however, for a #6 at a reasonable price is any worse then other guys that have been mentioned like walker or montador?
I dont think Recchi should be playing 2nd line minutes on a team competing for the cup anymore....

Also, who the hell will play defense on a line of JVR Giroux and Briere???? Yes, Giroux is a good defensive player, but he sure as heck is not going to be able to cover for Briere and a rookie...

I would be fine with Gauthier on a cheaper contract as a #6. He is good in the locker room and if he isnt playing more than 8-9 minutes a game can be effective. He was playing too much when he was here before.

These are the kind of players that you need on your third pairing in the cap era....or a rookie.

I especially dont mind with the top 4 we now have who will probably suck up about 50 minutes a game anyway

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06-30-2009, 05:54 PM
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I dont think Recchi should be playing 2nd line minutes on a team competing for the cup anymore....

Also, who the hell will play defense on a line of JVR Giroux and Briere???? Yes, Giroux is a good defensive player, but he sure as heck is not going to be able to cover for Briere and a rookie...
We don't really have numbered lines. The 3 scoring lines would get equal ES minutes. Keep Recchi off the PK and PP (which he's not needed for), and he would be fine.

As for the defense of the JVR-Giroux-Briere line, well it's a scoring line and I imagine the defense would be about as good as Powe-Giroux-Briere was this year. That line had 2 rookies and was clearly our best line in the playoffs.

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07-01-2009, 11:09 AM
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Not sure if this has any merit but Ed Moran had this comment about Cote in a Q 'n A from earlier this week...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...hat062909.html
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Q. Do you think Daniel Carcillo or Cote will be moved, obviously we dont need both.

A. Ed Moran: I don't see Cote with the Flyers next year. Does that mean they move him or send him down. Who knows, what his market value after last season?

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07-01-2009, 11:44 AM
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Gange-Richards-Giroux
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
Asham-?????-????(Knuble if he resigns)
Cote(Reg season only)-Powe-Carcillo

Parent-Pronger
Timo-Coburn
Jones-Carle


Knuble only plays 3rd line minutes so he can be on top PK and PP units to take wear and tear off of Hartnell, Richards, Gange, Carter on the PK side of things. the 3rd line C who is ???? will help with this as well on PK relief. Point is 3rd line become a shutdown D minded line. No more rolling 3 scoring lines... We cant just hope to outscore teams anymore though Pronger will help. And yes Cote makes opening day roster. Its not like anyone on the phantoms will learn anything or grow as a player on how this team gives 4th line their minutes.

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07-01-2009, 04:00 PM
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We don't really have numbered lines. The 3 scoring lines would get equal ES minutes. Keep Recchi off the PK and PP (which he's not needed for), and he would be fine.

As for the defense of the JVR-Giroux-Briere line, well it's a scoring line and I imagine the defense would be about as good as Powe-Giroux-Briere was this year. That line had 2 rookies and was clearly our best line in the playoffs.
Yeah, but Powe is more of a "3rd line" type player, JVR is pure offense and a big guy at that, those types of guys usually take a while to adjust to the NHL.

Either way, I want Briere and Giroux as my top 2 RWs.

We can agree to disagree....We will see what happens!

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07-01-2009, 04:17 PM
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cote could just be sent to the phantoms via waivers

gagne-richards-giroux
hartnell-carter-briere
carcillo-UFA-laperriere
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cote could just be sent to the phantoms via waivers

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Not bad if that 3rd line center has some skill. Carcillo isnt completely without skill either, he is just a bonehead sometimes!!

I rather Nodl than Kalinski though.... I want some finesse and skill in the bottom six, kinda like Kapanen all those years.

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Nodl should just play top line for the phantoms. he'll be ruined by a 4th line role if he keeps it up

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Nodl should just play top line for the phantoms. he'll be ruined by a 4th line role if he keeps it up
I agree...I dont want him on the 4th line, was thinking more third line.

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our third line will probably score less goals than Knuble., might aswell let Nodl go to the AHL

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our third line will probably score less goals than Knuble., might aswell let Nodl go to the AHL
Haha....When you put it like that I cant disagree

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Assuming what you have now is what you get:


Hartnell - Carter - Briere
Gags - Richards - JVR
Carcillo - Giroux - Ross
Lappy - Powe - Asham

Timmo - Coburn
Pronger - Carle
Parent - Jones

Emery
Boucher

Initially I was not going to include JVR but without another legit big body I think he gets into this lineup. (Was hoping for J. Ward or second choice Knubs but oh well).

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I like Powe, but I hope we can find someone else today for the third line C.

Still hope we ditch Jones/Carle

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I know Stevens said he wants to keep the Harts-Carts, Gagne-Richards, and Briere-Giroux pairings together, but realistically, I don't think he has too much choice at this point.

Gagne-Richards-Giroux
Hartnell-Carter-Briere

That's a dynamite top-6.

Then you have a bottom-6 of Laperriere, Asham, Carcillo, Powe anchoring it which ain't bad.

Just really need that 3rd line C.

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Hartnell - Carter - JVR
Gags - Richards - Briere
Carcillo - Giroux - Ross
Lappy - Powe - Asham

Timmo - Coburn
Pronger - Carle
Parent - Jones

Emery
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Now if we can get rid of Carle, sign a cheap responsible bottom pairing guy and sign Pahlsson/Madden, I'll be happy with the offseason.

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Well, I guess it may finally be time to give up the idea of going with three scoring lines. It was my favorite thing about this team for a while, but with some of the recent changes, it looks like it'll likely make more sense to stack the top two and go with a more traditional checking third.

If we're not signing anyone else...

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Asham-Powe-Carcillo/Laperriere
Cote-Kalinski-Carcillo/Lapperriere

Not sure exactly where we stand now with the cap, but if we can squeeze in another forward signing...

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Asham-FA signing-Powe
Carcillo-Kalinski-Laperriere
Cote

I struggle a little bit with moving Giroux to wing, just cuz I think he did such a fantastic job as a center...he even did pretty well on face-offs. However, I guess I should just chalk that up to the fact that he is ****ing awesome, and realize that he may be better off on the wing.

Maybe Nodl would be ready to secure a spot on the third line...I don't know though. I'm not too high on him. He's a pretty smart player and does some good things, but I'll be shocked if he develops any real offensive threat. He's not incredible defensively and doesn't bring any physical presence either.

I'm a bit unsure about how the bottom six should stack up overall. Quite frankly, I have little use for Carcillo...especially now that we have Laperriere. I just don't think Carcillo is much of a player, in any regard really. How about they move him for the rights to Upshall? I'll be anxious to see what Scottie signs for.

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Hartnell - Carter - JVR
Gags - Richards - Briere
Carcillo - Giroux - Ross
Lappy - Powe - Asham

Timmo - Coburn
Pronger - Carle
Parent - Jones

Emery
Boucher
I feel so bad for Giroux...

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