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06-15-2009, 08:56 PM
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The Best Picks Ever, #1-30

Saw this on the Leafs site, it says it's a NHL.com article but I haven't been able to find it on the main site.

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?...ticleid=425667

Basically, for every # it lists the best player ever drafted in that position, two runner-ups, two "up and coming" players, and one disappointment. Obviously in the opinion of the author.

Here's one, to give you a sense:

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No. 15: Mike Bossy (N.Y. Islanders, 1977) -- Twelve teams (including the Rangers and Toronto twice each) passed on Bossy because he was regarded as just another sniper from the run-and-gun Quebec Major Junior Hockey League. Isles coach Al Arbour told GM Bill Torrey he could teach Bossy to play defense; he was right, and the rest is history. Bossy scored 573 goals in just 10 seasons and was a key to the Isles' four consecutive Stanley Cups before being forced to retire in 1987 due to back problems. Had Bossy stayed healthy, it's likely he -- not Wayne Gretzky -- would have broken Gordie Howe's all-time record for goals.

Runners-up: Al MacInnis (1981), Joe Sakic (1987)
Up and coming: Riku Helenius (2006), Erik Karlsson (2008)
Disappointment: Scott Kelman (1999)
I haven't looked through it in detail yet but I did notice there were a few spelling errors.. Cory Hodgson and Eric Johnson so it might only be in the "up and coming" sections.

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06-15-2009, 09:28 PM
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Good list.

When the Canucks had 10th overall, Selanne was the only player I could think of that was worth anything who was picked at that position. Then we drafted Hodgson, so phew.

Some people might argue Shanahan vs. Pronger, but I think at this point Shanahan has had the better career...although Pronger could overtake Shanahan sometime in the future. Who knows.

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06-15-2009, 09:32 PM
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No. 6: Peter Forsberg (Philadelphia, 1991) -- Talk about the one that got away -- the Flyers drafted Forsberg with the sixth pick, but traded him to Quebec a year later in the Eric Lindros deal. Forsberg became one of the NHL's toughest skill players, a center who could beat you with a shot, a pass or just by running over you. It's hard to imagine how good he'd have been if injuries hadn't slowed him down and ultimately cut short his career.

Runners-up: Phil Housley (1982), Vincent Damphousse (1986)
Up and coming: Eric Johnson (2006), Sam Gagner (2007)
Disappointment: Daniel Tkaczuk (1997)

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Good list.

When the Canucks had 10th overall, Selanne was the only player I could think of that was worth anything who was picked at that position. Then we drafted Hodgson, so phew.

Some people might argue Shanahan vs. Pronger, but I think at this point Shanahan has had the better career...although Pronger could overtake Shanahan sometime in the future. Who knows.
Chris Pronger:
1x 1st Team All Star
3x 2nd Team All Star
Hart Trophy Winner
Norris Winner
1x Stanley Cup Winner

Brendan Shanahan:
2x 1st Team All Star
1x 2nd Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Winner

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06-15-2009, 09:54 PM
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I know, I know. How hard is it to spell Erik?


..and then I realized we were talking #6. JJ went #3 so that's not it either. No clue what the guy was thinking there.

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06-15-2009, 10:05 PM
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How is Paul Coffey not even an Honorable Mention at #6?

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06-15-2009, 10:16 PM
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i don't know about biggest dissapointment #1 being patrik stefan, you could really make a case for a few other guys too like brian lawton considering the players you could've had.


and some of those its amazing there isn't someone better at that number.

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06-16-2009, 12:08 AM
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Chris Pronger:
1x 1st Team All Star
3x 2nd Team All Star
Hart Trophy Winner
Norris Winner
1x Stanley Cup Winner

Brendan Shanahan:
2x 1st Team All Star
1x 2nd Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Winner
One of the best seasons ever individually

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#5 - Schenn made the list over Kessel for up-and-comers? Say what you want about potential, but for young goal scorers Phil is among the best in the game. And how the hell is Lashoff in there at 22? What has he shown to deserve that?

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#5 - Schenn made the list over Kessel for up-and-comers? Say what you want about potential, but for young goal scorers Phil is among the best in the game. And how the hell is Lashoff in there at 22? What has he shown to deserve that?
I agree with you on Kessel. Schenn's going to be a great defenseman but Kessel could be a consistent 30-35 goal scorer.

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Not a bad article but a couple of horrible mistakes IMO

How can Kyle Chipchura be an up and coming? Thats the best they could come up with? Chipchura is simply too slow to play a checking role in the new NHL he isent up and coming anywhere soon.

Also, I agree with the above poster, no Paul Coffey? sheesh.

Was still a good read though

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No. 11: Jarome Iginla (Dallas, 1995) -- The Stars traded the future for the present when they sacrificed Iginla to get Joe Nieuwendyk from Calgary. Landing Nieuwendyk helped them win the first Stanley Cup in franchise history in 1999, but the long-term cost has been steep -- Iginla has become one of the NHL's top stars. He's won the Art Ross, Rocket Richard and Lester B. Pearson trophies and was a Hart Trophy finalist in 2007-08 after reaching the 50-goal mark for the second time. He owns the Flames' franchise records for career goals and points.
Really? Until Iginla and the Flames win a Championship Dallas wins this deal.

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I bet #2 will very soon be Evgeni Malkin. It's laughable to even compare him to Doughty. But as you Canadiens wish...

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#5 - Schenn made the list over Kessel for up-and-comers? Say what you want about potential, but for young goal scorers Phil is among the best in the game. And how the hell is Lashoff in there at 22? What has he shown to deserve that?
What about the guy who is averaging 36 goals a season for his only 4 years in the league and has already scored 40 in a season twice and was also the #5 selection: Thomas Vanek!

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How are Stafford and Tlusty listed at #13 as "Up and coming" over Alexander Semin?

Edit: Whoops, just read the definition of "Up and coming".

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the New Jersey GM dealt journeyman defenseman Tom Kurvers to Toronto in 1989 for the pick that turned into Niedermayer.

oops..

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the New Jersey GM dealt journeyman defenseman Tom Kurvers to Toronto in 1989 for the pick that turned into Niedermayer.

oops..
Kings traded the 8th to Boston, guess what the 8th became? Ray Bourque.

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Parise doesn't even get mentioned at 17, but Hanzal and Trevor Lewis do?

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Parise doesn't even get mentioned at 17, but Hanzal and Trevor Lewis do?
"Up and coming includes players taken from 2004-08"

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I bet #2 will very soon be Evgeni Malkin. It's laughable to even compare him to Doughty. But as you Canadiens wish...
Who compared Doughty to Malkin?


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No. 18: Glen Murray (Boston, 1991) -- Murray had two stints with the Bruins (sandwiched around time with Pittsburgh and Los Angeles); suffice it to say the second was better than the first. Murray never had scored 30 goals in a season before returning to the Bruins in 2001-02, and then did it three times in a row, including a high of 44 in 2002-03. A solid player for a long time, he had 337 goals and 651 points in 1,009 NHL games.

Runners-up: Ken Daneyko (1982), Petr Sykora (1995)
Up and coming: Kyle Chipchura (2004), Ryan Parent (2005)
Disappointment: Jesper Mattsson (1993)
Ouch. That's a pretty sad list for all-time.

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Chris Pronger:
1x 1st Team All Star
3x 2nd Team All Star
Hart Trophy Winner
Norris Winner
1x Stanley Cup Winner

Brendan Shanahan:
2x 1st Team All Star
1x 2nd Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Winner
I would also have selected Pronger over Shanahan. For that matter, I'd choose Malkin ahead of either of them.

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How can Kyle Chipchura be an up and coming? Thats the best they could come up with? Chipchura is simply too slow to play a checking role in the new NHL he isent up and coming anywhere soon.
Pretty weak choice yes. The alternatives - Chris Stewart, Ian Cole and Chet Pickard - all seem better to me.

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I bet #2 will very soon be Evgeni Malkin. It's laughable to even compare him to Doughty. But as you Canadiens wish...
Who was comparing them *******? Nowhere did anybody say Doughty was better or even comparable just that they're both up and coming which is true. And when did the Montreal Canadiens say something about Drew Doughty being better than Malkin? It surely couldn't have been a Canadian.

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Brendan Witt is a notable at #11?

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06-16-2009, 03:54 PM
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Quite a lot of questionable or downright terrible selections in the "up-and-coming" category, in my opinion.

3rd – Jack Johnson over Zach Bogosian?
6th – Apart from „Eric Johnson“ at 6th, no Filatov or Brassard?
7th – Olesz over Jack Skille, Jakub Voracek and Colin Wilson?
15th – Riku Helenius over Radulov?
16th – Petteri Nokelainen over Joe Colborne or Tyler Wishart?
17th – Trevor Lewis over Jake Gardiner?
18th – see previous post
19th – Lauri Korpikoski over Luca Sbisa, for crying out loud?!
22nd – Matt Lashoff over Max Pacioretty and Jordan Eberle?
24th – Why no Mikael Backlund or Mattias Tedenby?
27th – Jeff Schultz over John Carlson?!
30th – Nick Ross and Matt Corrente over Thomas McCollum?

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