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06-15-2009, 10:40 PM
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Oscar Moller should play next year in Manchester

I know that Moller is a great and talented prospect, (currently our number 1 according to HF), and has already kind of made the team.

However, I think that he wasn't NHL ready this year... physically or in the general hockey sense.

Moller could be a 60 point scorer in the league someday, I think we could best tap into his potential by sending him down to the Monarchs for a year to be an offensive force, so that we can have Boyle or someone up, who is on the verge of graduating. Even Lewis might be better served being on the team than Moller. What I want to avoid most is 4th line with Ivanans, Zeiler, or all rookies. At least 1 effective veteran grinder please?

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He probably wasn't in hindsight, but I dunno about him being sent to Manchester. Depends on what our roster looks like and how training camp goes. He was already sent down on a conditioning assignment and I think he is still set to play with the main club this season. Isn't a terrible idea, but I would like to see him log some minutes this season and I hope he is taking his physical training this offseason seriously. Too early to tell right now.

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i couldn't agree more.

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Maybe we should wait until training camp to make that decision. If Moller beats out others who are competing for a spot then there is really no justification in sending him to Manchester. If another player proves to be a better fit on the team then I have no problem with Moller going to the AHL.

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Though I agree he needs 'something else' to get to a consistent NHL level of play, let's see what training camp and pre-season brings us...

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Maybe we should wait until training camp to make that decision. If Moller beats out others who are competing for a spot then there is really no justification in sending him to Manchester. If another player proves to be a better fit on the team then I have no problem with Moller going to the AHL.
I don't agree. Just because Moller might be the best in training camp doesn't mean that his development is best served by playing in the NHL next year.

And just to clarify, I don't mean strictly in Manchester - Moller would probably be the first callup, and would see time with the Kings as much as possible

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I don't agree. Just because Moller might be the best in training camp doesn't mean that his development is best served by playing in the NHL next year.

And just to clarify, I don't mean strictly in Manchester - Moller would probably be the first callup, and would see time with the Kings as much as possible
That does not sound reasonable.....that is like being passed on for a promotion at work.....even though you are the most qualified for the position.....because your employer thinks you will be better 2 years from now.

Remember the mistakes that coaches made in the past by giving players set spots on the roster before they earned it?

How did that work out with Labarbera?

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Well, Its nice that this year we have the luxury of being able to send him to Manchester which we didn't last year. I have no problem with him spending half the season up and half the season down.

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That does not sound reasonable.....that is like being passed on for a promotion at work.....even though you are the most qualified for the position.....because your employer thinks you will be better 2 years from now.

Remember the mistakes that coaches made in the past by giving players set spots on the roster before they earned it?

How did that work out with Labarbera?
depends if you are the most qualified for the promotion not predominantly based on your skills and experience but due to every other employee being ********...

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depends if you are the most qualified for the promotion not predominantly based on your skills and experience but due to every other employee being ********...
So it is better to give the job to a ******?

I do not see the logic in that.

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Ya, it all depends on his performance in training camp.. I completely agree with Captain Ron

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So it is better to give the job to a ******?

I do not see the logic in that.
no but if the employee is bet.. **** this ****... there's definitely an argument to have him develop as a first line player in the A rather than getting 11-13 minutes up in the show whether he's "better" than joe ****** or not... it's not necessarily the route for every player but it many cases it is...

i still feel he should have been sent back to junior after his 10 games whether that required a call up of any joe ******... I'm not saying they had to give Purcell the job when he didn't deserve it but there's plenty of other retards to fill in... at this stage in the Kings' time line a rushing of a prospect because of a lack of quality options is going to do nothing but hurt the player and team in the long run...

this isn't to say they've hindered Oscars development but it is a concern... for this year let's see what summer training brings and also what the roster is itself...

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So it is better to give the job to a ******?

I do not see the logic in that.
It's not analagous, because I don't think that Moller will be that big of a contributor on the team... for example, why didn't we have our best goalie play out the 2007-2008 team with the team? (Bernier vs. Labs/Aubin)

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It's not analagous, because I don't think that Moller will be that big of a contributor on the team... for example, why didn't we have our best goalie play out the 2007-2008 team with the team? (Bernier vs. Labs/Aubin)
the argument will always be because goaltending is different... and well, goaltending is different.

i do however agree that Moller should be playing in the minor leagues next season regardless of his showing at training camp. he had a terrific camp this season.. beat out the three-headed bucket fail, even... and he STILL didn't belong in the NHL.

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the argument will always be because goaltending is different... and well, goaltending is different.

i do however agree that Moller should be playing in the minor leagues next season regardless of his showing at training camp. he had a terrific camp this season.. beat out the three-headed bucket fail, even... and he STILL didn't belong in the NHL.
Fair enough...

Preferrably Dean will pick up a few grinders so that we don't have to have Moller on the team next year

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Fair enough...

Preferrably Dean will pick up a few grinders so that we don't have to have Moller on the team next year
that is a large area of concern regardless of Moeller...

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Maybe you should play in Manchester next year. . .

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Proper player development puts a player in a position to lead and excel. If Oscar is playing 2nd line minutes for 60+ games on the Kings, I think he can succedd in that role. However I hope there is no room for him in the top 6, and if that is the case, putting him on Zus' line, going up against the other team's best line, that is not a position to succeed, nor is playing 4th line minutes with Ivanans.

Sure he'd get PP minutes, but Oscar can be more than just a PP specialist, and if Dean is smart, there will be a shiny new forward with Frolov, Kopitar, Brown, Williams and Stoll, none of whom Moller is going to beat out in camp. It will be best for him, in my opinion, to spend the majority of next season being the go-to guy for the Monarchs.

While Oscar did have an exceptional camp, and I thought performed quite while with the Kings, he only won that spot because he was beating out other rookies. It's not like he beat out a roster full of bona-fide NHLers, which is what we need to have going into next season if we want to have any shot at the playoffs. There should only be two open spots for rookies or tweeners like Moller/Purcell/Boyle et al; 3rd LW or 4th line anything, and 5th/6th defenseman.

Now if Dean doesn't fill out the top 6, then I think Oscar will do fine individually, but I think the team will be in trouble.

However, none of this talk of top or bottom 6 may matter at all if Murray continues to use a dart board to determine his line combos. For all we know Moller could still be a top 6 forward even if we added a Gaborik and Murray will put Frolov with Zus and Simmonds again...

In the end I think it will be more beneficial to both Oscar and the Kings if he spends most of the season in Manchester getting 20+ minutes a game, though if he is with the Kings I won't be too sad, because I really do love to watch that kid play hockey.

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I agree. Time for Manchester....put on some weight, build his confidence.

Kings are going to look like this prob....

UFA/Trade-Kopitar-Brown
Frolov-Stoll-Williams
Simmonds-Handzus-Purcell/Richardson
Ivanans-Boyle-Zeiler/Clune/Harrold/Lewis/Richardson

Where does Moller fit? 3rd line? 4th line? Might as well be in Manchester....


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Dude just needs some roids. Then he'll be a force.

In anycase, I don't support a regression unless a suitable player can be slotted in his place via trade or FA. If he's good enough to make the squad out of camp, then who do you put in his place? Why make the team worse on the ice?

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If you want to hinder a player (not a goalie) send them to the AHL. AHL is purgatory for someone who already has NHL skills. Manchester will do nothing for Moller's game he needs to make the big club now. Moller is not Boyle, Purcell, or Moulsen, he has NHL written all over him and if he was not sent to the worlds he would have had at least 15 goals and be penciled in the King's line up for 2009-10.

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I agree. Time for Manchester....put on some weight, build his confidence.

Kings are going to look like this prob....

UFA/Trade-Kopitar-Brown
Frolov-Stoll-Williams
Simmonds-Handzus-Purcell/Richardson
Ivanans-Boyle-Zeiler/Clune/Harrold/Lewis/Richardson

Where does Moller fit? 3rd line? 4th line? Might as well be in Manchester....
Johnny,

We probably will not make a trade or get a 1st line forward in UFA. Kings always promise but get outbid everytime. So Moller gets on the 2nd line where he will net 20 goals and Kings just miss the playoffs again. And were left looking for the 2010-11 draft and possible new UFA and Trades because we still have the lowest cap.

2010-11 is where we make the playoffs with a new coach and GM.

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Doubtful the Kings do NOTHING this summer Pucknut. Lombardi knows there is pressure to add a scoring LW winger.

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