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Which type of player is more valuable?

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30G 65A 95PTS 49 48.51%
55G 25A 80PTS 48 47.52%
Can't Decide 4 3.96%
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06-16-2009, 04:16 PM
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Which type of player is more valuable?

Which type of player would you rather have?

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puttin the buscuit in the basket does it for me, look at kovalchuk And how many assists were second assists?

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06-16-2009, 04:25 PM
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06-16-2009, 04:28 PM
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The guy who got me 15 more goals.

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These types of polls are so stupid. I get the point that you're trying to get across here, but without context, these are pointless.

It could be Joe Thornton vs. Jonathan Cheechoo, or it could be Marc Savard vs. Ilya Kovalchuk. Without context, it's completely useless.

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06-16-2009, 04:35 PM
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Any elite offensive player should be able to get much more than 25 assists. The fact the shooter has just 25 says he is much likelier to be a Cheechoo who is benefitting from a great playmaker than its is a kovalchuk. So Datsyuk numbers are the ones I go with as he is a threat to score himself (30 goals is nothing to sneeze at) or set up one of his teamates.

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Essentially, it's 95 goals for the team against 80.

It's a pretty easy decision.

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Essentially, it's 95 goals for the team against 80.

It's a pretty easy decision.
YUP.

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i take 95 over 80 anyday

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seriously though LOL @ the guy who said "second assists".

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Essentially, it's 95 goals for the team against 80.

It's a pretty easy decision.
No, its 30 goals vs 55 goals. Goal scorers are harder to find.

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No, its 30 goals vs 55 goals. Goal scorers are harder to find.
haha you are very close minded. Think about it, how do you get a point?

HINT: You don't get one for a nice pass.

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Any elite offensive player should be able to get much more than 25 assists. The fact the shooter has just 25 says he is much likelier to be a Cheechoo who is benefitting from a great playmaker than its is a kovalchuk. So Datsyuk numbers are the ones I go with as he is a threat to score himself (30 goals is nothing to sneeze at) or set up one of his teamates.
Take a look at Joe Juneau and Peter Bondra during the early 90's. Juneau was heaping on secondary assists from Neely and Oates while Bondra was a one-man offense.

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Essentially, it's 95 goals for the team against 80.

It's a pretty easy decision.
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No, its 30 goals vs 55 goals. Goal scorers are harder to find.
It's just not that simple. It's not whether that player acutally puts the puck in the net or sets others up, it's all about creating offense, and neither of these two stat lines tell you anything about who is creating what.

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how many players can score over fifty even on a bad year only ovechkin baby

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Essentially, it's 95 goals for the team against 80.

It's a pretty easy decision.
No it is not. It is harder to score than to get an assist. How many of the play makers assist count come from secondary, or phantom assists? It is like Iginla vs Savard. Kovalchuk vs. Hemsky.

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With the limited amount of information we have, one player has generated, in some way, 95 goals. The other, 80.

Without knowing anything else, I can say with complete confidence that 95 goals is better than 80. You can say whatever you want regarding secondary assists and whatnot, but the simple fact remains, 95 is greater then 80.

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I want the player thats contributing the most to the team... and that would be 30 goals 65 assists... i dont care if its a secondary assist... thats still contributing...


Every time i see a player who has a stat line like 32-12-44..i just laugh... i dont want those type of players on my team

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06-16-2009, 08:42 PM
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The one who can also play a good two-way game!

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06-16-2009, 08:48 PM
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Goal scorers are harder to come by, and goals are usually harder to get than assists. I'll take the 55 goal scorer any day.

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There have been 40 cases in NHL history of a player having 65+ assists but 95 or fewer points. There has never been a case of a player scoring 55+ goals and fewer than 80 points. Closest is Tim Kerr's 84 points. Only 3 have had fewer than 90 points along with 55+ goals.

If you score 55 goals, you're going to be part of a lot more than just 80 scoring plays.

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Depends entirely on the specific player, and team needs.

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Ovechkin > Crosby

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06-17-2009, 12:02 AM
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i prefer the guy that gets more points. but a lot depends on the situation. some guys might score a lot but also take a lot of shots instead of making a better play that creates a better chance. the player that i would want on my team is a crosby rather than an ovechkin because ive always felt its easier to stop a pure sniper than a guy that makes everyone around him more effective.

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