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06-16-2009, 08:15 PM
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Not making the playoffs = 5th Pick Overall >>> Getting swept in the first round
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lol people are funny. One good year and the guy has become a hall of famer.

I'm simply gonna laugh how overpaid this kid is gonna be and the major let down he's gonna have next season. Seriously, some talk like this guy has managed 5 consecutive 40 goals seasons. People surely has a short memory with these breakout seasons in the past years.

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lol people are funny. One good year and the guy has become a hall of famer.

I'm simply gonna laugh how overpaid this kid is gonna be and the major let down he's gonna have next season. Seriously, some talk like this guy has managed 5 consecutive 40 goals seasons. People surely has a short memory with these breakout seasons in the past years.
I know you're a Habs fan, but come on. Can't we give the kid a break? The past 2 years he's been a bust because he couldn't score 30 goals... This season he tops the mark and it's just a one year thing.

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Mark Recchi, Keith Tkachuk, Cam Neely, Denis Savard, Ilya Kovalchuk, Steve Yzerman, Bobby Hull, Joe Sakic, Ryan Smyth just to name a few on that exclusive list.

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06-16-2009, 08:55 PM
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lol people are funny. One good year and the guy has become a hall of famer.

I'm simply gonna laugh how overpaid this kid is gonna be and the major let down he's gonna have next season. Seriously, some talk like this guy has managed 5 consecutive 40 goals seasons. People surely has a short memory with these breakout seasons in the past years.
Nobody is saying he's a hall of famer. We are saying that one good year while being younger (Kessel) is better than no good years (JJ).

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lol people are funny. One good year and the guy has become a hall of famer.

I'm simply gonna laugh how overpaid this kid is gonna be and the major let down he's gonna have next season. Seriously, some talk like this guy has managed 5 consecutive 40 goals seasons. People surely has a short memory with these breakout seasons in the past years.
No, whats funny is.......A guy has a good year and if he gets credit for it all of the sudden he is overated, but if someone has a bad year or didnt live up to their expectations (Fan Hype), they are a BUST or aren't worth the risk (Johnson).

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06-16-2009, 10:14 PM
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Not making the playoffs = 5th Pick Overall >>> Getting swept in the first round
Just because the taste of playoffs eludes you and your team year after year, doesn't mean you have to make asinine statements.

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No, whats funny is.......A guy has a good year and if he gets credit for it all of the sudden he is overated, but if someone has a bad year or didnt live up to their expectations (Fan Hype), they are a BUST or aren't worth the risk (Johnson).
Jack Johnson has proved nothing yet. It's mainly why the Bruins would ask for more in return.

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06-16-2009, 10:36 PM
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Not making the playoffs = 5th Pick Overall >>> Getting swept in the first round
...because with all the great picks you had and the great prospects you drafted with the 350 top picks you had in the last years, you should be a better team. Maybe with 350 other top picks you'll know what it is to be a playoff team... I look at your team and pipeline, you should be better than you are. Enjoy the 5th overall and long summer next year. At some point, you have to start putting it together... Add to that all the UFAs you signed...this is just incredible.

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Thoughts are that Boston takes it hard up the rear. Kessel has actually fulfilled his potential with a 35+ goal season last year. Johnson has not.

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Not making the playoffs = 5th Pick Overall >>> Getting swept in the first round

Really? I know that 5th pick is tempting but, come on, getting into the playoffs would says a lot about the team and maybe earn a tad of respect, but we havent and we won't for awhile, sadly. If the Kings did get in the playoffs I probably would of cried, haha but then cried when we got swept, but hey, i'd take it, that's just my opinion though.


I can understand if you would of rather wanted the 5th pick though.

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06-16-2009, 10:49 PM
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5th Overall
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Phil Kessel

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i think id like to stick with Phil in boston

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5th Overall
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Phil Kessel
DONE!!!!

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Phil Kessel
That's probably what it would take. More potential in the Kings offer but that's because it's two unproven assets.

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5th Overall
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Phil Kessel
Uhhhhh No.

How about this....

5th Overall
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Phil Kessel
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06-17-2009, 01:16 AM
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Really? I know that 5th pick is tempting but, come on, getting into the playoffs would says a lot about the team and maybe earn a tad of respect, but we havent and we won't for awhile, sadly. If the Kings did get in the playoffs I probably would of cried, haha but then cried when we got swept, but hey, i'd take it, that's just my opinion though.


I can understand if you would of rather wanted the 5th pick though.
Trust me, I would love for the Kings to make the playoffs..But, it would just be an emotional roller coaster to make it and follow it up with being swept. I was just stating that getting swept in the 1st round doesn't give you any bragging rights, and atleast the Kings get something to show for sucking.

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Jack Johnson has proved nothing yet. It's mainly why the Bruins would ask for more in return.

My comments had nothing to do with the value of the trade. I would expect Boston to ask for more than JJ. My comment was for the poster who asked "when did Kessel become a stud?"

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Trust me, I would love for the Kings to make the playoffs..But, it would just be an emotional roller coaster to make it and follow it up with being swept. I was just stating that getting swept in the 1st round doesn't give you any bragging rights, and atleast the Kings get something to show for sucking.

Ah, okay, good It is what it is and I don't mind getting the 5th pick, obviously. Not to sure what Dean is going to do with it but I hope he keeps it. I would not mind seeing Kane in a Kings Jersey.

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Trust me, I would love for the Kings to make the playoffs..But, it would just be an emotional roller coaster to make it and follow it up with being swept. I was just stating that getting swept in the 1st round doesn't give you any bragging rights, and atleast the Kings get something to show for sucking.
Playoff experience is overrated. Let's draft high each year instead. Because that's what you do. Keep sucking...and your youngsters will become losers. Playoff experience and learning how to win is what makes a team great. The kings are my second team after the habs and I am still waiting to see them explode...

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Jack Johnson has proved nothing yet.
That's just ridiculous and said by way too many people.

Jack Johnson has proved, he can play in the NHL and is more than a 6th/7th defenseman. Everyone who has seen him play, knows he will stick in the NHL for years to come. Everybody seems to forget that because of his image and that he hasn't put up the projected 50-60 points on the scoreboard yet.

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lol people are funny. One good year and the guy has become a hall of famer.

I'm simply gonna laugh how overpaid this kid is gonna be and the major let down he's gonna have next season. Seriously, some talk like this guy has managed 5 consecutive 40 goals seasons. People surely has a short memory with these breakout seasons in the past years.
Alright, I'm going to hold you to this next season when Kessel gets another high scoring season....be expecting a PM after next season telling you that you don't know what you're taking about.

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No sane GM would base a decision like this only on present status or achievement to date. It'd be a part of it, but what you're looking at is the kind of player you think you are going to get over the next few years.

There has never been any doubt that Kessel has top end talent, and he has not given any reason to think that he will not be able to capitalise on it and put up big numbers. Given his production this year (with significant time lost to injuries and a prolonged slump after returning), you'd have to say that he is a player with a realistic potential as a 50 goal scorer.

Johnson has not put up a strong season, but he was dominant at the WC and by all accounts finished the NHL season well. whatever team that is interested in him will have scouted him, and will have an assessment of what we are likely to see from him in the next 1-2 seasons - and that will underlay the value they put on him right now. He seems a classic case of "wrong-time-to-trade", but of course if he forces LAs hand, they may have to.

All in all, I'd say a Kessel-Johnson swap gives both teams a good return on losing an asset they would rather have kept but couldn't. Boston's bargaining position is maybe sufficiently stronger to get them something additional, but not anything major in my opinion.

Anyway, it sure would beat trading JJ and the 5th pick for Chris Pronger, from LA's point of view.

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