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Kaberle to The Wild for Zidlicky and Harding

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06-17-2009, 01:40 AM
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Kaberle to The Wild for Zidlicky and Harding

http://brochuishockey.blogspot.com/2...e-17-2009.html
From Brochu is Hockey, though, apparently it's an Al Strachan rumor.

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According to Al Strachan of the Score, there's a rumor that the Toronto Maple Leafs could send defenseman Tomas Kaberle to the Minnesota Wild in exchange for defenseman Marek Zidlicky and goaltender Josh Harding. The speculation is that the Leafs brass are very impressed with Harding. Harding is also due to be a restricted free agent this summer.
Makes a lot of sense on a lot of fronts, but mainly if Toronto believes it's out of the Gustavsson hunt, it gives them a bonefide goalie of the future.

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06-17-2009, 01:41 AM
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Not enough for Kaberle

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From Brochu is Hockey, though, apparently it's an Al Strachan rumor.



Makes a lot of sense on a lot of fronts, but mainly if Toronto believes it's out of the Gustavsson hunt, it gives them a bonefide goalie of the future.
I'm going to miss Kabby.

But this deal makes a lot of sense. Only if we cant sign Gusto, though.

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Seems to me like overpayment from the Leafs. Kaberle is a great defenseman with a great contract, and while Harding is a very good young goalie, goalies never tend to have as much value in trades as you think they would. Zidlicky is a decent replacement I guess, but I think the Leafs could do better.

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Not enough for Kaberle
More than enough for kaberle

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that's probably slightly lower than Kaberle's value but I think it would be a very smart trade for Toronto

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There would probably be another player going back to Toronto or a draft pick. Harding is an RFA and Zidlicky is an UFA after this upcoming season.

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Not enough for Kaberle
Totally disagree. This is good value for Kaberle imo. Just look at past trade deadlines. Kaberle could not fetch a 1st rounder. Zidlicky may be a downgrade from Kaberle but Harding more than makes up the difference.

Would be a smart move by TO as they would get one of the better young goalies in the NHL. Perfect for a rebuilding team.

Then again that might have been a sarcastic response.... hard to tell on the 'net.

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More than enough for kaberle
I think Kaberle could fetch more than this.


Strachan is a joke.

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Totally disagree. This is good value for Kaberle imo. Just look at past trade deadlines. Kaberle could not fetch a 1st rounder. Zidlicky may be a downgrade from Kaberle but Harding more than makes up the difference.

Would be a smart move by TO as they would get one of the better young goalies in the NHL. Perfect for a rebuilding team.

Then again that might have been a sarcastic response.... hard to tell on the 'net.
What?

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Not to suggest trade values don't fluctuate, but Kaberle reportedly said no to a trade that would've returned Jeff Carter and a first round pick from philly at last years deadline. Obviously that was before Carter exploded into an elite scorer, but it wouldn't be that far-fetched to suggest Kaberle could return a first round pick.

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This deal will never happen.

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As a wild fan i would def do this deal... Kaberle and Burns two crazy defenseman shots that owuld be insane... Well since the Leafs dont want Pogge if you guys want to add him with Kaberle for Harding and Zidlicky im all down for that as well...

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06-17-2009, 02:22 AM
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More than enough for kaberle
Zidlicky blows, Harding is an unproven goalie who has nowhere to go in Minnesota.

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What?
Did Burke not say he wanted a 1st rounder for Kaberle at the trade deadline but no one stepped up? I realize it was probably a 1st + player/prospect but for 2 seasons now I have seen TO ask for 1st rounders for Kabs. Yet he still sits in TO.

Maybe it is just me but it seems Kaberle has far more value on these boards than he does to the GM's of the league. His offense is not elite level and his defense is lacking.

Now if Kaberle refused to waive his NTC then he has zero value. Either way the Minnesota offer is a fair trade. Especially after a sub par year from Kaberle. I put Kaberle's value at just slightly better than Ohlunds. The difference being Ohlund can be had for a contract only. No need to lose assets.

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Not to suggest trade values don't fluctuate, but Kaberle reportedly said no to a trade that would've returned Jeff Carter and a first round pick from philly at last years deadline. Obviously that was before Carter exploded into an elite scorer, but it wouldn't be that far-fetched to suggest Kaberle could return a first round pick.
Key word being BEFORE Carter broke out. Then Kaberle had his worst season in years last year which further lowers his value.

If Kaberle fetches a 1st rounder it will be at the draft. But I wouldnt expect a 1st + quality NHL player heading TO's way. Maybe a upper mid level prospect along with it.

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Zidlicky blows, Harding is an unproven goalie who has nowhere to go in Minnesota.
You're right. 42 points in 76 games on one of the most conservative and defensively-tight teams matches the criteria for suckage.

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Not to suggest trade values don't fluctuate, but Kaberle reportedly said no to a trade that would've returned Jeff Carter and a first round pick from philly at last years deadline. Obviously that was before Carter exploded into an elite scorer, but it wouldn't be that far-fetched to suggest Kaberle could return a first round pick.
Yeah, that was before Carter become elite and before Kaberle got himself injured for the rest of the season.

Kaberle's not going to get his value back in a trade. Deal with it.

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You're right. 42 points in 76 games on one of the most conservative and defensively-tight teams matches the criteria for suckage.
Just ignore him.

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Not to suggest trade values don't fluctuate, but Kaberle reportedly said no to a trade that would've returned Jeff Carter and a first round pick from philly at last years deadline. Obviously that was before Carter exploded into an elite scorer, but it wouldn't be that far-fetched to suggest Kaberle could return a first round pick.
God I wish the Flyers got that deal done.

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Makes u wonder about this trade because his father Cliff is employeed with Toronto and with all of the previous trades that Toronto has made with Minnesota makes you wonder if this would go down

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Not enough for Kaberle
The most any team could afford to add in would be a somewhat highly regarded prospect. Harding has real potential and Zidlicky is only 1 step down from from Kabs.

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Zidlicky, Harding, 12th overall


for


Kaberle, Stajan, NYR 2nd round pick, Pogge

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Zidlicky, Harding, 12th overall


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Kaberle, Stajan, NYR 2nd round pick, Pogge


12th overall > Stajan, a low 2nd rounder and Pogge

BTW why the hell would Minnesota want to move Zids and Harding for Kaberle. Sure Kab is an upgrade over Zids but not enough IMO that the deal is worth it for Minnesota.

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You're right. 42 points in 76 games on one of the most conservative and defensively-tight teams matches the criteria for suckage.
He's awful defensively and Soft, Rememebr An_y _elmore?

Marek Zi_licky is the Czech _elmore

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Soo.. basically they trade a top skill defensman for a lesser skill defensman, but on a shorter contract. And a RFA goaltender. Seems like a very bad deal to me.

I don't understand what Toronto would want with another 30-something defenseman. And a right-handed shot to boot.. Usually thats a positive thing, but for Toronto thats something they dont need. Kubina, Schenn, van Ryn, Finger, Strålman, White and Oreskovic are all right handed shots if I recall correctly.


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