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Kaberle to The Wild for Zidlicky and Harding

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06-17-2009, 08:15 AM
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Totally disagree. This is good value for Kaberle imo. Just look at past trade deadlines. Kaberle could not fetch a 1st rounder. Zidlicky may be a downgrade from Kaberle but Harding more than makes up the difference.

Would be a smart move by TO as they would get one of the better young goalies in the NHL. Perfect for a rebuilding team.

Then again that might have been a sarcastic response.... hard to tell on the 'net.
Careful pal. Last trade deadline the Flyers were willing to give up carter and a 1st. Just because he wasnt traded for a 1st doesnt mean he couldnt get a 1st.

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06-17-2009, 08:21 AM
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Careful pal. Last trade deadline the Flyers were willing to give up carter and a 1st. Just because he wasnt traded for a 1st doesnt mean he couldnt get a 1st.
lets not forget that first ended up in being 2nd overall pick (1st if not for lottery).

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06-17-2009, 08:23 AM
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lets not forget that first ended up in being 2nd overall pick (1st if not for lottery).
That was in 2007, he was talking about the 2008 rumored deal.

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The Wild would probably be adding a young player as well. They'd likely prefer to add Pouliot, and I'd wager that Burke would want Gillies. I'd say that Pouliot is more likely to be added.

I don't get the hate for Zidlicky, I always sort of liked how he plays. I don't see him 82 games a year, but what I do see looks pretty good.

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06-17-2009, 08:26 AM
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The Wild would probably be adding a young player as well. They'd likely prefer to add Pouliot, and I'd wager that Burke would want Gillies. I'd say that Pouliot is more likely to be added.

I don't get the hate for Zidlicky, I always sort of liked how he plays. I don't see him 82 games a year, but what I do see looks pretty good.
No hate. Just the value isn't there for me.

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06-17-2009, 08:29 AM
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No hate. Just the value isn't there for me.
I think with a player like Pouliot or Gillies added the value's there. This is all assuming we don't sign Gustavsson. There's no way I want to go into next year with Toskala and a random UFA in net.

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On the one hand, the value is solid and anything that can put an end to Kaberle to Washington proposals would be tremendous.

Yet I really don't understand Burke's motivations right now. If he's dealing Kaberle for futures, then that is one thing. If he's dealing Kaberle for a veteran puckmoving defenseman, looking to be competitive in the near future... well he would be better off keeping Kaberle.

Only a few players bring more to the table than Kaberle in that area. Why trade Kaberle for a puckmoving defenseman? Kaberle makes less than $1M more than Zidlicky, and is signed for three years, not one. Kaberle is not overpaid and not a cap problem. That's a great contract. It almost looks like change for its own sake.

I suppose the thrust is simply that they are very high on Harding. Yet a trade of Kaberle with Zidlicky one of the principal players heading the other way confuses me somewhat, providing of course that this isn't simply a figment of Strachan's imagination.

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I think with a player like Pouliot or Gillies added the value's there. This is all assuming we don't sign Gustavsson. There's no way I want to go into next year with Toskala and a random UFA in net.
Pouliot has been a huge bust. How does he add value? If we are trading Kaberle, I want more of a sure thing. Even Gillies isn't top 6 material.

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I think with a player like Pouliot or Gillies added the value's there. This is all assuming we don't sign Gustavsson. There's no way I want to go into next year with Toskala and a random UFA in net.
I disagree. 1+1+1 doesn't add up to 3 in NHL trade logic. There is still no top grade asset in this package.

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I don't get the hate for Zidlicky, I always sort of liked how he plays. I don't see him 82 games a year, but what I do see looks pretty good.
Zidlicky is a good player. But he is an adequate second-pairing defenseman, and is simply an asset on a lesser level than Kaberle, who is perhaps ideally a top notch No 2 defender and top unit PP QB.

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06-17-2009, 08:51 AM
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Pouliot has been a huge bust. How does he add value? If we are trading Kaberle, I want more of a sure thing. Even Gillies isn't top 6 material.
Pouliot's just a kid, and he has good raw skills. I wouldn't want him as the centrepiece of a trade, but I think he adds some value. Harding's obviously the reason Toronto would make a deal like this, and if Burke thinks he can be a starter this isn't a bad deal to make. Everything else is sort of secondary, so really it comes down to how Harding turns out.

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To MIN: Kaberle, Tlusty, 2nd RD pick



To TOR: Zidlicky, Harding, Boogaard, 1st RD pick
Alright Toronto, I'll need you to bend over now...

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06-17-2009, 09:16 AM
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The base of this deal is decent. Harding is a hell of a lot better than some posters give him credit for. He's completely capable of stealing games by himself. He couldn't take the job away from Backstrom because Backstrom has been the picture of consistency this year. Backstrom brought the same game every night, and Lemaire valued that more than anything.

But to make this trade worth it, some pieces need to be added.

To Toronto
Zidlicky
Harding
Boogy

To Wild
Kaberle
Pogge
3rd

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Alright Toronto, I'll need you to bend over now...
That's funny, I was thinking the Wild were getting bent over in that deal. Trading away their 12th overall? You got to be kidding me.

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Alright Toronto, I'll need you to bend over now...
Hahaha yeah, right. Other way around.

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Sure, getting Boogard for Pogge and a 3rd really improves this trade.

That package wouldn't even work if you put Harding at a value greater than Kaberle's. A 3rd is overpayment for Boogard, and I'm not sure I'd trade Pogge for Zidlicky.

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Harding + Zidlicky for Kaberle? DO IT FLETCHER!

I agree that there is value missing on the Wild's side, though. Unfortunately the 1st is kind of a dealbreaker, and the Wild are simply overflowing with quality prospects!

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No thanks from TO.

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Zidlicky blows, Harding is an unproven goalie who has nowhere to go in Minnesota.

Can't Harding be traded to any number of teams that desperately need goaltending help? (TOR, EDM, COL, PHO, etc)

I agree that goalies typically don't have great value, especially guys who aren't proven #1's. I think the trade is relatively close because I think that Kaberle's slightly overated on the boards. I'm not sure the overall value is great going to TOR, but from a strategy standpoint I like it.

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06-17-2009, 09:26 AM
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Take out Zid and add Burns and either a second or Prosepct

that frees up money for the leafs to get Jaboy.

I am sure the leaf fans would think getting their fuure number 1 goalie and a stud on d-man would not be anough. But I think Burns/Harding and a pick wopuld be fair enough

IMO, Burns >>> Kaberle. Burns is a better d-man, who is locked up for 4-5 more years on a better contract than Kaberle. IMO, Burns has by far and away best contract in the NHL at this point in time. There's no way that Burns is moved for Kaberle.

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06-17-2009, 09:29 AM
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The base of this deal is decent. Harding is a hell of a lot better than some posters give him credit for. He's completely capable of stealing games by himself. He couldn't take the job away from Backstrom because Backstrom has been the picture of consistency this year. Backstrom brought the same game every night, and Lemaire valued that more than anything.

But to make this trade worth it, some pieces need to be added.

To Toronto
Zidlicky
Harding
Boogy

To Wild
Kaberle
Pogge
3rd
Keep dreaming bud.

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Hahaha yeah, right. Other way around.
In what fantasy world does Tlusty(a 21 year old top AHL scorer) and a 2nd round pick equal that absolute duster Boogaard and a 12th overall?

Are you smoking drugs? Tlusty was a 13th overall pick himself, and he hasn't exactly busted.

You must be high, but its so early in the morning still...


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In what fantasy world does Tlusty(a 22 year old top AHL scorer) and a 2nd round pick equal that absolute duster Boogaard and a 12th overall?

Are you smoking drugs? Tlusty was a 13th overall pick himself, and he hasn't exactly busted.

You must be high, but its so early in the morning still...
Perhaps because the 2009 draft looks to be > 2006 draft?

Don't you think the Leafs could move up in the draft for their pick and the 12th overall pick as well?

Take out the Leafs 2nd round pick (not necessary as Kaberle is more valuable than the original trade package).

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In what fantasy world does Tlusty(a 22 year old top AHL scorer) and a 2nd round pick equal that absolute duster Boogaard and a 12th overall?

Are you smoking drugs? Tlusty was a 13th overall pick himself, and he hasn't exactly busted.

You must be high, but its so early in the morning still...
Not to nitpick here but Tlusty is 21 (he turned 21 just some months ago)

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Its way to early to be drinking. In what fantasy world does Tlusty(a 22 year old top AHL scorer) and a 2nd round pick equal that absolute duster Boogaard and a 12th overall?

Are you smoking drugs? Tlusty was a 13th overall pick himself, and he hasn't exactly busted.
Tlusty has little trade value at this point. He's a PPG player in the AHL at 22 and so far can't stick on a team that was basically filled with AHL players last year because he can't play in a bottom-six role. Exactly which GM is supposed to be bowled over by that resume? Enough to trade one of the best enforcers in the game (and a huge fan favorite), one of the best young goalies with actual NHL experience, and the #12 pick? I don't think so.

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Did Burke not say he wanted a 1st rounder for Kaberle at the trade deadline but no one stepped up? I realize it was probably a 1st + player/prospect but for 2 seasons now I have seen TO ask for 1st rounders for Kabs. Yet he still sits in TO.

Maybe it is just me but it seems Kaberle has far more value on these boards than he does to the GM's of the league. His offense is not elite level and his defense is lacking.

Now if Kaberle refused to waive his NTC then he has zero value. Either way the Minnesota offer is a fair trade. Especially after a sub par year from Kaberle. I put Kaberle's value at just slightly better than Ohlunds. The difference being Ohlund can be had for a contract only. No need to lose assets.
No, He did not ...EVER. He did say that he would not approach anyone with a NTC because they earned that right.
...but on draft day, the Leafs have both players (Kaberle/Kubina) lose their NTC's...

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