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06-19-2009, 07:51 AM
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Karlsson would be considered a reach IMO, i was scrambling when I heard they picked him...turned out pretty good though
Ya, he sure has done a lot for the sens...

Typical HF mentality.

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06-19-2009, 11:14 AM
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josh 'oh my gosh' bailey

garth snow traded up for him to everyones surprise
No, he didn't. He traded down from 5 to 7 with Toronto and from 7 to 9 with Nashville to get Bailey... The surprise was that he didn't take Filatov or someone else. Bailey was rated around 12th I think, he was selected 9th...

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06-19-2009, 11:40 AM
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No, he didn't. He traded down from 5 to 7 with Toronto and from 7 to 9 with Nashville to get Bailey... The surprise was that he didn't take Filatov or someone else. Bailey was rated around 12th I think, he was selected 9th...
They took Bailey while Cody Hodgson was still on the board, even at the time that was puzzling move.

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06-19-2009, 11:56 AM
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Wayne Simmonds, who was unranked by CSB, taken in the 2nd round by the Kings. He's turned out to be a very solid checker for LA.

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So no one knows why Mike Rupp was drafted so high?

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josh 'oh my gosh' bailey

garth snow traded up for him to everyones surprise
i thought snow traded down twice for bailey.

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06-19-2009, 04:35 PM
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Wayne Simmonds, who was unranked by CSB, taken in the 2nd round by the Kings. He's turned out to be a very solid checker for LA.
i think thats the Owen Sound connection.

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06-19-2009, 04:44 PM
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It has probably been metioned by Jason Bonsignore by Oilers...4th overall.

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06-19-2009, 04:51 PM
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Wayne Simmonds, who was unranked by CSB, taken in the 2nd round by the Kings. He's turned out to be a very solid checker for LA.

id do that pick over again every day of the year..

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06-19-2009, 05:21 PM
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So no one knows why Mike Rupp was drafted so high?
He was huge. Really, that's it. The NHL went through a period in the late 90s where all sorts of guys whose skill set wouldn't get them drafted at all in a weak year ended up in the top two rounds because of their physical size. The thinking was "You can't teach size", which is true...but then, you can't teach NHL-level skill to a guy in two years if he hasn't picked up CHL-average skill in the prior fifteen.

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06-19-2009, 10:55 PM
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He was huge. Really, that's it. The NHL went through a period in the late 90s where all sorts of guys whose skill set wouldn't get them drafted at all in a weak year ended up in the top two rounds because of their physical size. The thinking was "You can't teach size", which is true...but then, you can't teach NHL-level skill to a guy in two years if he hasn't picked up CHL-average skill in the prior fifteen.
exactly...sometimes you just hope they devellop into something good..

Milan Lucic is a good example too..

At 16 he was playing in the BCHL .....23 points in 50 games
At 17 he was playing in WHL ....... 19 points in 62 games

Drafted 50 overall in 2006 ( a guess if you look at the stats)

But after...

At 18 WHL 68 points in 70 games
At 19 made the NHL...

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06-20-2009, 12:01 AM
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Who pegged (got a link maybe) Oshie as a first rounder? You? Kudos, if true. I don't recall anybody thinking about taking Oshie in the first round.
He was supposed to be late second, early third.

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06-20-2009, 02:20 AM
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Daniel Rahimi is a good example. The year he was drafted he was not in any of the materials provided to the media at the actual draft by the NHL (that I could find).

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San Jose Sharks:

1995 Entry 12th 1st Teemu Riihijarvi RW K-Espoo Jrs. (Finland)
When I saw Sharks I thought you were going to say Devin Setoguchi. He was a reach at #8 (ranked in 20s I believe). It looks like the Sharks knew what they were doing

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Daniel Rahimi is a good example. The year he was drafted he was not in any of the materials provided to the media at the actual draft by the NHL (that I could find).
I believe that he was the prospect that the Red Wings were extremely high on, Vancouver's scouting staff discovered this and then made the decision to draft him before Detroit could having never seen him play (or only a couple times -- I can't remember which story) solely because of Hakan Andersson's impeccable European draft record. I could be wrong though.

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06-20-2009, 12:05 PM
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Rick Dipietro is a joke for a 1st overall., lol
He ended up being one of the best 1st rounders from that draft, and when healthy you could easily argue he is more valuable then Heatly or Gaborik. Isolated from the circus around his drafting it was a good pick.

Kyrill Petrov last year was the second rated European, dropped to the fourth round because of his contract status and then was injured most of this year. Only reason the Islanders took him was because they had a **** load of picks and could afford to wait the 3-4 years of his contract.

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06-20-2009, 12:08 PM
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Leafs drafting Steen and the guy picked after was...nvm

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06-20-2009, 12:11 PM
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You mean Cam Ward? I actually thought that Ward got selected too high in that draft. As I recall there were serious concerns about how much of his dominance in the Dub was the result of Calgary's phenomenal team and how much of it was the result of his play. He was a projected second rounder as well. And in all fairness 2002 was a relatively weak draft. All of the men taken after Ward in the first round have been busts or marginal NHL'ers (Vagner, Morris, Johansson, Toivonen, and Slater).

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I always thought Adrian Foster was supposed to go high until he had a serious injury. His stock plummeted after he got hurt but the Devils took a chance on him in the first round.

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He got arrested like a week before the draft. He beat the **** out of some guy at a party.
It was originally believed that he would be the 10th-15th pick, but some teams passed on him because he was charged with assault causing bodily harm by Toronto police shortly before the draft. Wolski allegedly beat and hospitalized another young man his age after Wolski was asked to leave a birthday party. The case was dismissed when it was learned that Wolski was defending his girlfriend, who had been pushed off a porch

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06-20-2009, 12:56 PM
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i thought snow traded down twice for bailey
exactly, that's what he did

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So no one knows why Mike Rupp was drafted so high?
no, not even mike milbury ...

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06-20-2009, 01:58 PM
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I believe that he was the prospect that the Red Wings were extremely high on, Vancouver's scouting staff discovered this and then made the decision to draft him before Detroit could having never seen him play (or only a couple times -- I can't remember which story) solely because of Hakan Andersson's impeccable European draft record. I could be wrong though.
That was Alexander Edler, I believe.

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So no one knows why Mike Rupp was drafted so high?
http://www.islesinfo.com/1998-Draft.html

Here's a vid of Bob McKenzie attempting to explain it.

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I don't think the OP was talking about guys who went higher or lower by 10 or so picks. Carey Price is not a good example, he was a reach, but was not off the board. He was talking about a guys who were off the board, or others who fell completely off of it.

Blake Wheeler is a good example. Thomas Hickey is a good example. Jesse Niinimaki is a great example. Another is when Mike Morris was taken in the 1st round by the Sharks.

Adrian Foster might be the best of them all, he wasn't even in the CSB database when he was selected by the Devils, there was a long delay because the Devils had to explain to the league that he was draft-eligible. He wasn't even invited to the draft by the league, the Devils told him to show up. TSN didn't even know he was there, I believe Gord Miller's words were "apparently, Adrian Foster is here."
Haha, I remember that happening with Foster. Just before the commentators were raving about New Jersey's drafting history. Then when they announced Foster and everyone was scrambling to find out who he was, the commentator was all like, "...see? What'd I tell you? They picked someone who wasn't even on the list?"

Where was Mike Morris supposed to go? IIRC he was late second/early third.

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What the hell - down with a cold and nothing better to do.

1994 - Evgeny Ryabchikov, G, 21st, Boston. Came out of nowhere, which is where he ended up.

1995 - Riihijärvi (San Jose) was a big surprise at 12th (thought of more as a second-round, high-risk project)

1996 - Here there were plenty. Very weak year, and hence little consensus on order.

John Aitken (Boston, 8th) was considered a late first-rounder I believe, to say nothing of Ruslan Salei (Anaheim, 9th) and Lance Ward (New Jersey, 10th). Derek Morris (13th, Calgary) wasn't even in the THN top 50. And Peter Ratchuk (Colorado, 25th) was also a bit of a reach. More a late second-rounder.

1997 - Colorado again went for a player who was basically regarded as a borderline second-rounder - Kevin Grimes (26th)

1999 - Branislav Mezei (Florida, 10th) was widely regarded a late first-rounder

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