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06-18-2009, 10:23 AM
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Sedins want identical 12years 63million

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282198

thats an average of 5.75 a year or frontload the first few years or reduce the years by a maybe 2 years

I say we do it if we cant trade for VL


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neither one is worth half of that

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Thats 5.25/year.

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neither one is worth half of that

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contract till theyre 40 yrs old? are they retarded?

When you have to take them as a pair, they should understand that instantly hurts their value. @28 yrs old, given the economic conditions, if im signing both it would be for no longer than 5yrs

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Way too long. But the 'Nucks might pay. No way I would want Gainey to sign them.

If a GM signs them like this - it's a desperation move. It's a "what the heck do I care about the 2014-2015 season... I won't be GM then - I want results next year"

BTW - put a News Report prefix on the title. Looks better

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I really wonder with these 12 year deals, is there a secret understanding that the player retires at 35 or something. What happens if Detroit has Zetterberg and Frantzen playing at 39 years old at their current cap hits? Actually, that's exactly what I'd like to see happen. These deals that assume a player will retire and let the team out of the last years of the contract are perfectly legal, but they're also phony bad faith contracts that make a mockery of an actual salary cap.

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12 yrs contracts are dumb.

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They ARE worth that if Hamrlik is worth 5.5 mill.

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06-18-2009, 10:50 AM
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I'd do it and hope that they retire at 36 or so.

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They ARE worth that if Hamrlik is worth 5.5 mill.
Huh...

I try to not think about that too often.

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Gainey would probably offer them double.

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They want a Franzen like deal... why is this a stunning idea?

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Deal...

Question:

Lecavaliet + St-Louis (7.4M$ + 5.250M$)

Or

Sedins Brothers (5.75M$ + 5.75)

!?

Hmmm... Getting Lecavalier and St-Louis would cost a lot of player and a lof of prospects... Sedins Brothers would only cost cash...

I think it's a good question!

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I'd do it and hope that they retire at 36 or so.
I agree! I was sure they would be looking at 6M +

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Deal...

Question:

Lecavaliet + St-Louis (7.4M$ + 5.250M$)

Or

Sedins Brothers (5.75M$ + 5.75)

!?

Hmmm... Getting Lecavalier and St-Louis would cost a lot of player and a lof of prospects... Sedins Brothers would only cost cash...

I think it's a good question!
I think you're missing the point with that comparison, it's not about money as much as about the length of contracts. The Sedins are nice players, but they didn't prove that they can make you win, or that they are gamebreakers. 12 years for such players is quite the gamble...

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I'd do it and hope that they retire at 36 or so.
if im not mistaken i think the twins want to finish their careers off in sweden, so im pretty sure the would retire around the age of 36 to 38, which isnt bad then, plus 5.25m cap hit for the next 6-8 years is awesome for a point per game duo, giving you a solid top line for many years

i would sign them in a heart beat


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They ARE worth that if Hamrlik is worth 5.5 mill.
LOL have a little perspective here now.

These guys want that money for the next 12 years!
Hammer is off the books after next year, and we have plenty of cap space so its not like his contract is handcuffing us. Hammer was well worth his paycheck last year, he had an off year like everybody else this year.

Having 2 Sedin's locked up like that for so long could very well lead to some big time cap problems in the coming years.

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I also want a contract for 12 years and $63 million.

What you want and what you get are two different things. I would imagine the twins (are more likely their agent) is going to start their demands a little on the high side. Why wouldn't you?????

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I really wonder with these 12 year deals, is there a secret understanding that the player retires at 35 or something. What happens if Detroit has Zetterberg and Frantzen playing at 39 years old at their current cap hits? Actually, that's exactly what I'd like to see happen. These deals that assume a player will retire and let the team out of the last years of the contract are perfectly legal, but they're also phony bad faith contracts that make a mockery of an actual salary cap.
I think it's a bit of a loophole. If it's a front loaded contract and he's getting paid 1-2 million at older ages but still has a 6 mil cap hit, they can agree to annul the contract and negotiate a new one. Player gets a raise to say 3-4 million, and a new contract has a cap hit of that amount instead of the legacy cap hit thats higher. Both sides win as long as the owner is willing to spend the extra bucks (which rich teams would), the Leafs did this with Sundin.

Back to topic, the present. How many teams are really keen on spending that kind of money to make the Sedins the franchise? Yeah they score points, but at that kind of dough don't you want a proven gamebreaker and winner? They've never won anything. Signing them seems like a good way to guanrantee mediocrity for the next decade. I'd rather the habs gambled on some higher risk players (but at better deals) and flamed out than the Sedins.

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I'm pretty sure NHL rules forbid renegotiating deals.

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Just guessing:

They ask for 12 years, 63 million.

Canucks counter with 8 years and 45 million.

They settle for 10 and 55.


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I'd do it in a second...

5.25M cap hit for those two... that's how you allow yourself to build a strong and consistent contender.

the 12 years seems like a lot, but let's be real here, does anyone really think there is any way in hell that the sedins stay in north america when they are 37-38-39-40 UNLESS they are still playing at a high level?

they, just like the other euro's signing these long front loaded deals, will definitely head back home at the end of their deals, BEFORE they become 3rd line fodder.

bank on it.

think about it, part of the logic in them asking for this kind of deal is so that their teams can still surround them with elite talent, giving them a chance to win every year.

these guys are competitive as heck and won't be kicking around the NHL for 1-2 million/year in 2018, 2019, 2020 just to be the swedish versions of Chelios.

take a look at naslund... he left 3M on the table at 35 years old, coming off of a relatively productive season, because he didn't want to play if he couldn't maintain his level.

the 12 years seem scary, but when you break it down, having 2 ppg players in their prime at 10.5M for the next 5-7 years, is WELL worth the risk that they do decide to stick around once their skill level drops, if it does (let's not forget that we were very pleased with paying a 38 year old Robert Lang 4 million for a ~50-60pts season... in 10 years from now we'd be paying these two guys 1.25M more for potentially similar production, IF they haven't headed home yet.

is there really any doubt that salaries will surpass todays mark a decade from now?

i'm telling ya, that is a bargain deal for them...

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I think you're missing the point with that comparison, it's not about money as much as about the length of contracts. The Sedins are nice players, but they didn't prove that they can make you win, or that they are gamebreakers. 12 years for such players is quite the gamble...
Yeah... I understand... It's a LONG contract... But we said the same thing about guys like Brindamour, Fleury before they've won the cup...

I mean... Are Chara, Sundin, Koivu, Savard, Luongo bad players because they didn't succeed in NHL playoffs!?

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Yeah... I understand... It's a LONG contract... But we said the same thing about guys like Brindamour, Fleury before they've won the cup...

I mean... Are Chara, Sundin, Koivu, Savard, Luongo bad players because they didn't succeed in NHL playoffs!?
I am in no way referring to them as bad players, but more as a gamble. I don't remember the Sedins being gamebreakers in this years playoffs, and if you are to tie yourself to them for 12 years, you'd better be sure of what they will bring. All the players you listed are on much shorter term deals so their situation is different. You can trade them or just let them go after a while if their play does not live up to par. 12 years contracts won't be moved too often, Lecavalier might be the only one we could see for a long time.

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