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06-18-2009, 02:43 PM
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Frolov > Staal
Put Frolov on a 3rd line, and he gets about the same amount of points as Staal, but doesn't touch him defensively.
I'd rather Staal by quite a bit.

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06-18-2009, 02:45 PM
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Ya, exactly.. How do we know that Jordan Staal will pan out as a second liner if he's never even been put in that position..? We don't! We have enough 3rd line centers (Handzus, Stoll and Staal if we got him).. Patrice Bergeron is another solid example of a good 2nd line center..
I don't see Staal any better than Stoll, but I'm sure others will try and convince us otherwise. I didn't like how he handled his slot attempts in the playoffs.

Bergeron would be nice. I'm very open to having a guy come in that would play on the first line, though.

I'd like to slot Kopitar as the 1b until he can step more often, plus it would give him more space. The opposing teams checking line would most likely start against the 1a line for the most part.

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06-18-2009, 02:46 PM
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Put Frolov on a 3rd line, and he gets about the same amount of points as Staal, but doesn't touch him defensively.
I'd rather Staal by quite a bit.
Actually Fro was benched and put on the 3rd line quite a few times this year

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06-18-2009, 02:48 PM
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5th Overall

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Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Frolov - Grabovski - Moller

Not a bad top 6.

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06-18-2009, 02:53 PM
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I don't think PIT trades Staal only a few weeks after winning a cup, of which he was an integral part of.

Plus I think Frolov gives PIT more of the same: an offensively gifted FORWARD. While Staal has some offensive skill as well, his main role on the team was a defensive shutdown center, a role he excelled at.

I don't think PIT makes the trade.
I chanced it for you but other than that I couldn't have said it better myself. While the Pens could use some more support wingers for Crosby and Malkin, I don't see them doing so at the expense for their best defensive forward.

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06-18-2009, 02:55 PM
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I don't see Staal any better than Stoll, but I'm sure others will try and convince us otherwise. I didn't like how he handled his slot attempts in the playoffs.

Bergeron would be nice. I'm very open to having a guy come in that would play on the first line, though.

I'd like to slot Kopitar as the 1b until he can step more often, plus it would give him more space. The opposing teams checking line would most likely start against the 1a line for the most part.
If you want to say Staal and Stoll are the same that's fine, but the slot attempt thing doesn't make sense. He got the puck and shot it what more do you want? He's not a sniper. Plus I'll spin it the other way and say it's good to know he can get open in that area.

As far as Kopitar being a 1B, good luck with that. You're gonna have to pay more than you'd want for someone who's a better player than him.

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06-18-2009, 03:09 PM
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If you want to say Staal and Stoll are the same that's fine, but the slot attempt thing doesn't make sense. He got the puck and shot it what more do you want? He's not a sniper. Plus I'll spin it the other way and say it's good to know he can get open in that area.

As far as Kopitar being a 1B, good luck with that. You're gonna have to pay more than you'd want for someone who's a better player than him.
Exactly, so why would we want him as our number 2 center??
He's a perfect 3rd line center, not 2nd line..

Jordan Staal is out of the picture..

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06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
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The Pens won't move Staal, I assume that we plan to keep the top 3 Centers intact and sign short term pieces/bring up prospects to put around them in order to allow us to pay our core players (it worked nicely this year). LA fans who think Staal is nothing more than a 3rd line Center are insane...Staal is a 2nd line center on ANY team, and even a 1st line center on a few....20 years old, worth 20-25 goals per season with the potential to put up 30+, shut-down ability, Cup winner, leadership ability...yeah, the Pens aren't parting with him unless either the cap forces us to, or we are offered a young winger with 30-40 goal ability and a #1 pick/top prospect.

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06-18-2009, 03:13 PM
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Put Frolov on a 3rd line, and he gets about the same amount of points as Staal, but doesn't touch him defensively.
I'd rather Staal by quite a bit.
Considering Frolov spent a good portion of the year playing with Handzus and Simmonds and had more points than Staal while being not far behind defensively it seems that point is moot.

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LA and Edmonton always make such good trade partners, but not when it comes to Shawn Horcoff's bunk contract..
We could only have hoped.

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5th Overall

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Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Frolov - Grabovski - Moller

Not a bad top 6.
But but but....what will there be to talk about when the Leafs and Habs play???

League nixes deal unless Kostitsyn is traded to Ducks.

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Exactly, so why would we want him as our number 2 center??
He's a perfect 3rd line center, not 2nd line..

Jordan Staal is out of the picture..

Staal is a third line center only because he plays on the penguins.. he'd be a great 2nd center on most teams (prehaps even first center on some)

But anyways, Frolov for Staal ain't happening.

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5th Overall

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7th Overall
Grabovski

Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Frolov - Grabovski - Moller

Not a bad top 6.
LA:

7 Pick+ Grabovski+ Kulemin

TO:

5 Pick + Jack Johnson


Frolov- Kopitar- J.Williams

Kulemin- Grabovski- Brown

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Lol what? Frolov for Staal? No way.
yeah i agree, pittsburgh doesnt do this.

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If you want to say Staal and Stoll are the same that's fine, but the slot attempt thing doesn't make sense. He got the puck and shot it what more do you want? He's not a sniper. Plus I'll spin it the other way and say it's good to know he can get open in that area.

As far as Kopitar being a 1B, good luck with that. You're gonna have to pay more than you'd want for someone who's a better player than him.
Well, I'd want him to score. As in maybe get it up over Osgood's blocker..once. At least make the guy try and stop it. That's why I want a guy that's creative on our top-2 lines. We have plenty of guys that can do that already.

I'm sure Lombardi knows what he'll need to dish out to get the talent. We have the pieces and cap-space to do it.

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Staal is a third line center only because he plays on the penguins.. he'd be a great 2nd center on most teams (prehaps even first center on some)

But anyways, Frolov for Staal ain't happening.
See this is where Pens fans get a bad name. Not to single you out, but Staal is a great 3rd line center that hopefully will turn into a 65 point guy give or take (a 2nd line center in other words). You can see clearly from the skill set he prevents.

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Exactly, so why would we want him as our number 2 center??
He's a perfect 3rd line center, not 2nd line..

Jordan Staal is out of the picture..
Crosby
Malkin
Staal. .

Yeah. . tough huh? he'd be a scoring 2nd line center on any other team but the pens.

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06-18-2009, 03:33 PM
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Malkin
Staal. .

Yeah. . tough huh? he'd be a scoring 2nd line center on any other team but the pens.
Maybe.

We're in need of a proven 1a/1b center. We have enough potential. We need a guy that's already done it elsewhere.

Yes, we can and will pay for it.

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Well, I'd want him to score. As in maybe get it up over Osgood's blocker..once. At least make the guy try and stop it. That's why I want a guy that's creative on our top-2 lines. We have plenty of guys that can do that already.

I'm sure Lombardi knows what he'll need to dish out to get the talent. We have the pieces and cap-space to do it.
That sounds like Wolski might be what you are looking for.

He is creative in a shoot out atleast.....

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See this is where Pens fans get a bad name. Not to single you out, but Staal is a great 3rd line center that hopefully will turn into a 65 point guy give or take (a 2nd line center in other words). You can see clearly from the skill set he prevents.
I give pittsburgh fans a bad name because I say the only reason Staal is a third line center is because he's a penguin?
Sure buddy..

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Considering Frolov spent a good portion of the year playing with Handzus and Simmonds and had more points than Staal while being not far behind defensively it seems that point is moot.
Actually, it speaks volumes when you consider that Staal is 20 and Frolov turns 27 tomorrow.

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I give pittsburgh fans a bad name because I say the only reason Staal is a third line center is because he's a penguin?
Sure buddy..
No not exactly but just do yourself a favor and at least wait a few years before putting his name in the same sentence as "first line." I would even argue him being able to carry a second line is still up in the air because he's gotten regular minutes and still hasn't put up enough points for that role.

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yeah i agree, pittsburgh doesnt do this.

ya, that too

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Actually, it speaks volumes when you consider that Staal is 20 and Frolov turns 27 tomorrow.
How so? You said put Frolov on the 3rd line and he scores the same amount of points as Staal. Frolov spent a majority of the year playing with Handzus and Simmonds on the 3rd line and outscored Staal. So now it comes down to age huh?

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Pittsburgh keeps Staal unless they get a serious, top flight guy in return (i.e. part of a Kovalchuk deal or something) or unless they get a massive overpayment.

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