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JBo for Lupul + Jones (trade & sign)

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06-18-2009, 06:00 PM
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But if the Panthers don't like either player, all they are really doing is wasting $7M in cap space. All so they can say "Hey, we got something for J-Bo!" That's just asinine.
and you know FLA isn't interested in Lupul and Carle because you're the GM?

If you're the GM then what drugs were you on when it was the deadline and you didnt trade Bouwmeester then where you could have gotten a hell of a lot more then what you'll be getting now?


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U cant be serious? this is awful from Florida's point of view. they get nothing from this.
not suppose to help the panthers--just clear cap space for the flyers. The poster looked at contracts and went--hey--these two guys mkae that and Jaybo wants this--so let trade them for each other

flyers need to add some sugar to the deal to make it work(IE a first rounder or top prospect) Panthers are not going to do any favours for the flyers

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of course not

but I'm willing to bet they dont sign any of the top free agents
No, don't think they do, either. However, that goes back to us not knowing who was interested and the Panthers not wanting to spend the money for some of these guys.

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and you know FLA isn't interested in Lupul and Carle because you're the GM?

If you're the GM then what drugs were you on when it was the deadline and you didnt trade Bouwmeester then where you could have gotten a hell of a lot more then what you'll be getting now?
They were tied with the Habs for 8th spot. They tried to make the playoffs. Why? Because they needed the playoff revenue and wanted to electrify the fan base by making the playoffs. Also, had they made the playoffs they might have had a chance of holding onto Bouwmeester.

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and you know FLA isn't interested in Lupul and Carle because you're the GM?

If you're the GM then what drugs were you on when it was the deadline and you didnt trade Bouwmeester then where you could have gotten a hell of a lot more then what you'll be getting now?
I don't know if they're interested or not. If they are, then we can all throw a J-Bo parade in Philly.

And Martin did at the deadline what 98% of GM's do at the deadline. He kept his best player and tried to make the playoffs. He knew the risks, and it is what it is. I don't think Sexton is now going to compound the problem by tying up $7M in cap space for Lupul and Jones. As a Flyers fan, I hope I'm wrong.

Now let me ask you this: If you're the GM, do you trade J-Bo's rights for Lupul and Jones and their $7M cap hits? Or do you take whatever pick you can get and take your chances in free agency?

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They were tied with the Habs for 8th spot. They tried to make the playoffs. Why? Because they needed the playoff revenue and wanted to electrify the fan base by making the playoffs. Also, had they made the playoffs they might have had a chance of holding onto Bouwmeester.
that's true and i guess in hindsight you can say it was a bad move not to trade him

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I don't know if they're interested or not. If they are, then we can all throw a J-Bo parade in Philly.

And Martin did at the deadline what 98% of GM's do at the deadline. He kept his best player and tried to make the playoffs. He knew the risks, and it is what it is. I don't Sexton is now going to compound the problem by tying up $7M in cap space for Lupul and Jones. As a Flyers fan, I hope I'm wrong.

Now let me ask you this: If you're the GM, do you trade J-Bo's rights for Lupul and Jones and their $7M cap hits? Or do you take whatever pick you can get and take your chances in free agency?

I might take either Lupul or Carle and then look at free agency for either forward or the d-man spot that J-Bo had occupied, depending on the return. I doubt they'd take Jones. I know I wouldn't.

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I don't know if they're interested or not. If they are, then we can all throw a J-Bo parade in Philly.

And Martin did at the deadline what 98% of GM's do at the deadline. He kept his best player and tried to make the playoffs. He knew the risks, and it is what it is. I don't think Sexton is now going to compound the problem by tying up $7M in cap space for Lupul and Jones. As a Flyers fan, I hope I'm wrong.

Now let me ask you this: If you're the GM, do you trade J-Bo's rights for Lupul and Jones and their $7M cap hits? Or do you take whatever pick you can get and take your chances in free agency?
I would listen to other offers obviously....

but it wouldnt be Lupul & Jones, it would be Lupul and Carle that would interest me

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that's true and i guess in hindsight you can say it was a bad move not to trade him
Again, the most that came out Florida was offered was Mason Raymond and a pick. Not a bad return, but how does that help their playoff chances?

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I don't know if they're interested or not. If they are, then we can all throw a J-Bo parade in Philly.

And Martin did at the deadline what 98% of GM's do at the deadline. He kept his best player and tried to make the playoffs. He knew the risks, and it is what it is. I don't think Sexton is now going to compound the problem by tying up $7M in cap space for Lupul and Jones. As a Flyers fan, I hope I'm wrong.

Now let me ask you this: If you're the GM, do you trade J-Bo's rights for Lupul and Jones and their $7M cap hits? Or do you take whatever pick you can get and take your chances in free agency?
Lupul put with the right linemates can be a 30+ goal scorer in my opinion. I would seriously consider him Jones, no I wouldnt. Then again his contract is up after this year. Also it would depend on what the FA market is going to look like.

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Panthers might take Lupul but definitely not Jones or Carle. What they need is a first line centerman but there is no way Briere would waive his NTC to play for the Panthers. That would be kinda insulting for Homer to ask him... lol

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I would listen to other offers obviously....

but it wouldnt be Lupul & Jones, it would be Lupul and Carle that would interest me
And that's fair. But if their actual GM isn't interested in either player (and neither of us know if that is true or not), why would they take on their cap hits so we could have the cap room to take on their best player?

All I'm saying is that there is a flip-side to this coin, and its not always as simple as saying "at least they get something for him".

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Due to the beggars not being choosers front, I didn't mention my true desire...Coburn.


If it wasn't for the cap I would probably move Coburn straight up for him!

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Lupul put with the right linemates can be a 30+ goal scorer in my opinion. I would seriously consider him Jones, no I wouldnt. Then again his contract is up after this year. Also it would depend on what the FA market is going to look like.
Look, I like Lupul. I understand what you're saying. But if Florida doesn't like Lupul (and who knows if they do or not), they aren't going to take on his cap hit just to say they got something for J-Bo. They will just use J-Bo's money elsewhere.

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And that's fair. But if their actual GM isn't interested in either player (and neither of us know if that is true or not), why would they take on their cap hits so we could have the cap room to take on their best player?

All I'm saying is that there is a flip-side to this coin, and its not always as simple as saying "at least they get something for him".
because this is just a fan site to speculate about what COULD happen?

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If it wasn't for the cap I would probably move Coburn straight up for him!

I think we all would (assuming J-Bo were signed).

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because this is just a fan site to speculate about what COULD happen?
It could but its not logical.

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Counter proposal

To Fla: Briere and JVR

To Philly: Bo's rights


JVR comes to Florida as incentive to accept Briere's contract while opening up the cap space for Philly to sign Bo.

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Look, I like Lupul. I understand what you're saying. But if Florida doesn't like Lupul (and who knows if they do or not), they aren't going to take on his cap hit just to say they got something for J-Bo. They will just use J-Bo's money elsewhere.
You're right we both don't know if FLA is interested in Lupul. I was answering your question about whether I would do that trade. They're not going to just trade for someone for the sake of saying we got something for him.

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Counter proposal

To Fla: Briere and JVR

To Philly: Bo's rights


JVR comes to Florida as incentive to accept Briere's contract while opening up the cap space for Philly to sign Bo.
not happening

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Counter proposal

To Fla: Briere and JVR

To Philly: Bo's rights


JVR comes to Florida as incentive to accept Briere's contract while opening up the cap space for Philly to sign Bo.
That would work if JBO pre-agrees to sign with the Flyers IMO.

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because this is just a fan site to speculate about what COULD happen?
Yea, and I'm speculating that this doesn't work for the Panthers. All of these posters saying that Florida should "get something", and take on these contracts of Lupul or Carle or Jones, are not taking into account the Panthers might not want these players.

I mean, I have an old car I'd like to sell, rather than having to take it to a junkyard. But so far, the only offer I've had for it is a flaming bag of poop. So I think I'm just gonna let the junkyard have it, ya know?

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It could but its not logical.
and neither is 95% of the other trade talk on this board, and this one is far from the worst

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Counter proposal

To Fla: Briere and JVR

To Philly: Bo's rights


JVR comes to Florida as incentive to accept Briere's contract while opening up the cap space for Philly to sign Bo.
Yes please.

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You're right we both don't know if FLA is interested in Lupul. I was answering your question about whether I would do that trade. They're not going to just trade for someone for the sake of saying we got something for him.
That's all I'm saying. I was just responding to the "get anything you can for him" crowd, as if its that simple in a salary cap world.

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