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06-19-2009, 05:15 PM
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come on $1.1m for a 30 goal scorer is a steal. Thats what pisses me off the most about our financial straits, we finally have a concomitant GM a great GM and then all this B.S. happens. We all know that Barney would have signed Pucha to a 4 yr $3m deal.

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Seems reasonable enough I guess. I don't know if I would already assume Prucha could regain form, I've been burned by guys like York before.

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Seems reasonable enough I guess. I don't know if I would already assume Prucha could regain form, I've been burned by guys like York before.
Luckily for us, Prucha has shown more in 19 games than York did in an entire season.

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Could you guys tell me a little a bit about Reinprecht's work on special teams,in particular Penalty killing. Did Steve have a underground fanbase like Ballard did in Phoenix? I read a lot of Ballard love last summer here when no one was standing up for him,the Panthers and us fans when the Olli trade happened.

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Happy for Reino and glad that Pru is gonna be here next season.

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Could you guys tell me a little a bit about Reinprecht's work on special teams,in particular Penalty killing. Did Steve have a underground fanbase like Ballard did in Phoenix? I read a lot of Ballard love last summer here when no one was standing up for him,the Panthers and us fans when the Olli trade happened.
He's a solid second line center. And, as far as his PK ability, he was never "the guy" on the PK but took on some serious minutes when Hanzal went down, I think I'd put him fourth or fifth on the depth chart behind Hanzal, Boedker, Doan, and possibly Winnik. He's a solid PKer but hasn't had to be the horse on the PK since Hanzal came around.

And, he doesn't have same kind of fanbase Ballard did. Mostly because he doesn't hipcheck like Ballard does and the fact that he doesn't do anything particularly well but is decent at everything. He didn't have that one thing that drew attention to him.

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just looked at Meyer's profile, he sounds alot like a young Shane Doan.

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06-19-2009, 06:31 PM
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Luckily for us, Prucha has shown more in 19 games than York did in an entire season.
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He's a solid second line center. And, as far as his PK ability, he was never "the guy" on the PK but took on some serious minutes when Hanzal went down, I think I'd put him fourth or fifth on the depth chart behind Hanzal, Boedker, Doan, and possibly Winnik. He's a solid PKer but hasn't had to be the horse on the PK since Hanzal came around.
I will second that. Reinprecht isn't going to amaze anyone very often with anything except maybe a slick move every 5 or 10 games. He is solid in every zone, at every position and in every situation but not spectacular at any of them. He is a really nice utility player and second liner, but nothing to get excited about.

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just looked at Meyer's profile, he sounds alot like a young Shane Doan.
I don't even seen 10% of Doan. At best he can be groomed to be a third/fourth line grinder, like Winnik. Maybe having Doan around will help him reach that, but I don't see much more than that.

I think he can be valuable as that bottom-6 grinder if the law is laid down to him that if he wants play in the NHL, he has to play physically and bang bodies. Then once he's comfortable with that, some of the offense he showed in junior may come out. But, Doan is an extremely lofty comparison.

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I am happy that we have locked Prucha. I really liked what I saw from him at the end of last season, seems like a hard working, talented guy. He also appeared to be a good fit for the team. Good job Don.

Good move for Reinprecht too. If he stays healthy he should do well there.

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Another thing I just realized. We already have a younger, possibly better version of Rhino in Lombardi anyway.

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Another thing I just realized. We already have a younger, possibly better version of Rhino in Lombardi anyway.
What do you mean "possibly"? Lombardi is definately better. I know alot of you like Reinprecht, but I'm really happy this team has decided to move on. The guy always left me wanting more. I'm thrilled with the Prucha signing, he played his ass off for us and deserved a deal. The great thing about Prucha is that he isn't worhtless if he's struggling offensively.

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06-20-2009, 11:16 AM
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I think Rhino in a Place he's happy could turn some heads. He's a solid 2nd Liner, that has a few tricks up his sleeve still. He's always good for 30 - 40 points a season, I'm sure he's a welcome addition to anyones roster. I'm a little surprised we dumped him though, but I guess we need room for the young guys?

You guys remember that crazy Face off trick he pulled with vrbatta 07-08? Thats good stuff.

Good times, go Rhino, wish the best go win another cup!


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Reinprecht served this team well. He was solid if not unspectacular.

That being said... in his prime he was at best a 2nd line center. Now, he's 33 years old and at that age where players usually begin to diminish in contribution. IMO he's no longer a 2nd line center and is better served in a 3rd line capacity. Do you want to throw $2 Million per year for 3 years on Reinprecht? If you need the depth, maybe you look at a 1 or 2 year contract but 3 years? I think that's where Maloney elected to back away. Money is better spent on filling other holes; especially given the depth we have at the center ice position.

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Good for Reino. I'm glad he got a nice long deal, and I'm even more glad that we weren't the ones to give it to him. I liked the guy and all, but anything more than one year would not have made sense for us. Now he gets to go play with his buddy Ballard in Florida(anyone remember the "Unknown Doan" segments where Ballard and Reino were asked trivia questions about Shane Doan?). Going to Florida to retire? How original, Steve.

The downside, though, is it's one less reason for Shane Doan to want to stick around.


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06-20-2009, 02:38 PM
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What do you mean "possibly"? Lombardi is definately better. I know alot of you like Reinprecht, but I'm really happy this team has decided to move on. The guy always left me wanting more.
I am not going to argue too much about it, but I do want to make one point about this. I am pretty sure Reinprecht left everyone wanting more. Every few games he would dance his way through 2 or 3 defenders and look like a world beater, but just not often enough to more than tease with his ability. I think that is what left most people wanting more because he had more talent than he often let on. Don't let that cloud your judgment about what kind of player he was the rest of the time and the value in being just that player. I know Lombardi left a lot of Calgary fans wanting more too and his career NHL stats are slightly worse than Reinprecht's (0.61 ppg vs 0.50 ppg).

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Reinprecht served this team well. He was solid if not unspectacular.

That being said... in his prime he was at best a 2nd line center. Now, he's 33 years old and at that age where players usually begin to diminish in contribution. IMO he's no longer a 2nd line center and is better served in a 3rd line capacity. Do you want to throw $2 Million per year for 3 years on Reinprecht? If you need the depth, maybe you look at a 1 or 2 year contract but 3 years? I think that's where Maloney elected to back away. Money is better spent on filling other holes; especially given the depth we have at the center ice position.
This is the real key to what makes Reinprecht replaceable. Reinprecht is easing over the hill and Lombardi isn't. Lombardi is a younger, faster Reinprecht.

I still think that this move makes the Coyotes a worse team for now. There is a lot of time left to correct that though if Maloney can find a good fit to improve the forward corps.

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$1.1M a year for Prucha was either in the TSN article or on the trade rumors board here. That's a bit more than I would have wanted, but it's reasonable, especially if he can return to 20 goal form at a minimum.
I think 1.1m caphit for Prucha is a steal. I expect him to get around 35-45 points and be an extremely effective Powerplay guy.

Trade him back to the Rangers! We will give you.... our 3rd round pick?

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Good for Reino. I'm glad he got a nice long deal, and I'm even more glad that we weren't the ones to give it to him. I liked the guy and all, but anything more than one year would not have made sense for us. Now he gets to go play with his buddy Ballard in Florida(anyone remember the "Unknown Doan" segments where Ballard and Reino were asked trivia questions about Shane Doan?). Going to Florida to retire? How original, Steve.

The downside, though, is it's one less reason for Shane Doan to want to stick around.


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Oooh, thats a fun one! not a virus, but Malware. royal pain in the ass, first thing to do is run through your programs in the "ad or remove programs" list in your control panel. next is uninstall iny unknown programs. then pray. sorry dude.

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What do you mean "possibly"? Lombardi is definately better. I know alot of you like Reinprecht, but I'm really happy this team has decided to move on. The guy always left me wanting more. I'm thrilled with the Prucha signing, he played his ass off for us and deserved a deal. The great thing about Prucha is that he isn't worhtless if he's struggling offensively.
Lombardi is unquestionably better, especially when you factor in his faceoff skills, and I'd say he excels on the defensive side of things, whereas Rhino was adequate.

Your point about Prucha is spot on. He can earn his contract even if he only ends up with 20 pts. And we're paying Prucha half as much as Rhino now.


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Good for Reino. I'm glad he got a nice long deal, and I'm even more glad that we weren't the ones to give it to him.

The downside, though, is it's one less reason for Shane Doan to want to stick around.

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A) I'm happy for Rhino too
B) It's also one more reason for Shane Doan to be a little less friendly when the season STARTS!
C) Stop surfing the net so much for porn

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I am not going to argue too much about it, but I do want to make one point about this. I am pretty sure Reinprecht left everyone wanting more. Every few games he would dance his way through 2 or 3 defenders and look like a world beater, but just not often enough to more than tease with his ability.

I still think that this move makes the Coyotes a worse team for now. There is a lot of time left to correct that though if Maloney can find a good fit to improve the forward corps.
he may have looked like a world beater every so often, but not a goalie beater as he may have danced through defenders, but rarely followed that up by scoring....half the time he'd pass the puck when he should shoot.

Kevin Porter, along with the improved youth, along with Prucha, Lombardi, & Upshall make this a better team minus Rhino. Rhino would have been a bottom 6 forward....a $2M bottom 6 forward makes the Coyotes a worse team IMO.

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Reinprecht served this team well. He was solid if not unspectacular.

That being said... in his prime he was at best a 2nd line center. Now, he's 33 years old and at that age where players usually begin to diminish in contribution. IMO he's no longer a 2nd line center and is better served in a 3rd line capacity. Do you want to throw $2 Million per year for 3 years on Reinprecht? If you need the depth, maybe you look at a 1 or 2 year contract but 3 years? I think that's where Maloney elected to back away. Money is better spent on filling other holes; especially given the depth we have at the center ice position.
I echo those sentiments exactly. I was a fan of Rhino's when he was here in Phoenix, but there is no way I would have wanted Maloney to sign the contract that Florida did with him. In Phoenix he clearly got pushed down the depth chart the past two seasons, often playing on the 4th line as he wasn't a true checking line center and more of a 4th line scoring center. I think Doan & Rhino had some chemistry that never quite nurtured to it's full potential.

I know everyone is excited about Prucha how he played for the Coyotes after the deadline, but a post-trade scenario down the wire is a good sign but should not justify a contract. This deal he was signed to was a good one regardless, but he's much like Reinprecht (only younger) in that he's not really a top 6 forward on this team, so you don't want to pay $2M for a bottom 6-er -- obviously we are not. I'm very interested to see how he does for a full season in Phoenix.

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In Phoenix he clearly got pushed down the depth chart the past two seasons, often playing on the 4th line as he wasn't a true checking line center and more of a 4th line scoring center.
There is no such thing as a 4th line scoring center.

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I think 1.1m caphit for Prucha is a steal. I expect him to get around 35-45 points and be an extremely effective Powerplay guy.

Trade him back to the Rangers! We will give you.... our 3rd round pick?
35-45 points... if hes on the Power Play and gets 2nd line minutes, no less than 50-60 for him

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I think one thing to remember vis a vis the fan relationship with Reinprecht is he was largely considered trade bait in these parts even before the true ownership/financial issues came to light.

I'll miss him. Jeopardy question: 3, 5, and 5.

Answer: Reinprecht's ranking for team points the last 3 seasons. One of those 5 years he was injured, would have been 2 or 3.

He's a guy I was hoping the Yotes would bring back to the playoffs after his 7 goals in '02.

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