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06-19-2009, 04:33 PM
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Keith Tkachuk Contract a GREAT sign for NHL... Good News for Flyers?

It has been reported by Andy Strickland that Keith Tkachuk has re-signs for 1 year worth $2.15 million.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Andy-...umbers/5/21624

Keith made $4M last season and scored 27 goals, IIRC... By taking a back-step while still being productive, is this not a good thing for the NHL and the falling Cap and teams such as the Flyers with Cap space trouble?

To me Mike Knuble is comparable and this may help set a precedent and grease the skids for Knuble to ink a similar contract... although his Flyers ties are not as deep and longstanding as Tkachuk's is with the Blues.

... I'm wondering if Bonuses are a factor in that contract, being that it is a one year one... as the current CBA dictates for such over 35 YO bonus laden have to be.


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He's 37 and took a hometown discount, I wouldn't view it as a huge negative for the NHL, I don't think there would be a storm of interest in him on July 1.

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I'd almost rather not re-sign Knuble at all unless it's under $1M.

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I'd almost rather not re-sign Knuble at all unless it's under $1M.
I'd resign him up to 2 mill tbh.

We really need guys that can play a solid defensive shift on the 3rd line.

The main problem with my idea of moving Briere to a top-6 role is that I believe we would need a strong 3rd line that could play some limited defensive minutes against other teams' top-6 players. Get Knuble and a solid 3rd line C (I dream of Malhotra) and you're doing okay.

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When Tkachuk retires and goes to work for the Blues as a non-player, he will get it back when he gets paid $3M a year to be a part-time player development coach, team ambassador, and pro scout. We're not ready to plan for Knuble post-playing career with the team just yet.

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He's 37 and took a hometown discount, I wouldn't view it as a huge negative for the NHL, I don't think there would be a storm of interest in him on July 1.
Negative?... Dude, that is a huge positive.

While his numbers were not up to past years, 27 goals is nothing to sneeze at... Give me an upper twenty goal guy at $2M any day of the week. My point is that that is a good sign that players may be attempting to not kill the Golden Goose, and teams may be more serious on not overpaying players for past performances... as the Cap problem dictates. He took a 50% paycut, BTW.

Of course it was a Home Team Discount... And I'd guess that Knuble will give one also, in order to keep his family in place at school and with their friends. Knuble loves playing with the Flyers and the Flyers love having him on the roster and in the room. There are many young lions on the roster and far too little veterans.

Knuble has asked for quite a while to work out a deal -- as he did before the last extension -- I'm just hoping that the latest over 35 player to sign will allow Knuble and Homer to sit down and follow suite... Again, bonuses may be in play on Keith's and Mike's contracts; I don't know that answer.


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When Tkachuk retires and goes to work for the Blues as a non-player, he will get it back when he gets paid $3M a year to be a part-time player development coach, team ambassador, and pro scout. We're not ready to plan for Knuble post-playing career with the team just yet.
If that is the case, Homer can sign Knuble for a cheap multi-year contract which takes him through his retirement and promise him a one year overpayment to do something in the organization.

Seriously, I see Knuble as a good coach somewhere down the line... It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him somewhere in the organization learning the ropes... Have him as a lesser coach with the Phantoms and see where that goes.

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If that is the case, Homer can sign Knuble for a cheap multi-year contract which takes him through his retirement and promise him a one year overpayment to do something in the organization.

Seriously, I see Knuble as a good coach somewhere down the line... It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him somewhere in the organization learning the ropes... Have him as a lesser coach with the Phantoms and see where that goes.
Not to denounce the idea at all, but Knuble doesn't strike me as the coaching-type, but I could be wrong. If he wants to, they'll give him something to do, but then again, we have guys who should be able to fill his role. I think he is on the John LeClair-like edge of completely losing his game. With us capped out, I'd kind of rather get rid of him a year too soon, then have to embarrass him by putting him through waivers.

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I'd kind of rather get rid of him a year too soon, then have to embarrass him by putting him through waivers.
I'm sure Mike would hang his head all the way to the bank.

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I'm sure Mike would hang his head all the way to the bank.
Some guys have a little more pride then that. He could have bolted here 2 years ago if he wanted to then chance the Flyers making a 1-year turnaround.

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I hear you. That wasn't meant to be a dig at Mike Knuble's priorities or character. And while money might not be the most important thing to Knuble, it is still a factor. Also, some guys take pride in different stuff. If I were Mike Knuble it would be no embarrassment to me if my skills were slipping at his age. I would still be proud to earn a good living and of the career I would have had.

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Not to denounce the idea at all, but Knuble doesn't strike me as the coaching-type, but I could be wrong. If he wants to, they'll give him something to do, but then again, we have guys who should be able to fill his role. I think he is on the John LeClair-like edge of completely losing his game. With us capped out, I'd kind of rather get rid of him a year too soon, then have to embarrass him by putting him through waivers.
While there is some comparisons between Knuble and LeClair, body conditions are not one... Johnny was a beat up player who played at a time where D-men could crosscheck a player camped at the doors rich in the lower back and get away with it... Leclair and Kerr paid a serious price for the way they played their game, Knuble hasn't. Leclair had a long history of back problems and surgeries, I don't know of any with Knuble. Knuble has been a sturdy player who can be counted on to be in the lineup every game, unless there is a freak accident that puts him out. I don't see a sudden and great drop off anytime soon. Johnny had to struggle to put together a decent stretch of games each season... and age was not the main problem.

Knuble has also had an easier road to hoe... playing a full four years at Michigan and not playing many minutes early in his career. To put him in the same situation as Johnny is an unfounded reach, IMO.


... As for being coaching Material; Knuble is an intelligent person who looks at thing in an honest way, never sugarcoating bad play and losses... He is a quiet leader who enjoys explaining things and offers his views without coaxing -- reporters merely show up at his locker and turn on the tape -- He is well respected and I am not the first person to suggest he'd be a good coach... He seems to have the tools, much as Stevens did, only he is a NHL player whereas Stevens was not.

In any case, it would be to the Flyers advantage to have a person with his caliber mind in the organization... Much like Hatcher, I see Knuble being hired when he hangs them up... if not in O&B, by another organization.

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Not to denounce the idea at all, but Knuble doesn't strike me as the coaching-type, but I could be wrong. If he wants to, they'll give him something to do, but then again, we have guys who should be able to fill his role. I think he is on the John LeClair-like edge of completely losing his game. With us capped out, I'd kind of rather get rid of him a year too soon, then have to embarrass him by putting him through waivers.
Terrible comparison. John Leclair had bad back problems that limited him to playing 35 or less games a season 3 of his last 6 years in the league. The 3 years he stayed even somewhat healthy he registered at least 20 goals and 50 points. Knuble has played every game of the season the last 2 years and 3 of the 4 years he has been in Philly and has shown no signs of injury problems which are what usually cause players to hit that wall.

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Yeah but Knuble now routinely has trouble taking a shift where he isn't out of position due to just getting around the ice. Dave Andreychuk also had the game pass him by out of the lockout, but Knuble isn't 40 yet.

Like I said, with our cap situation, I'd rather it be too soon than too late.

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Some guys have a little more pride then that. He could have bolted here 2 years ago if he wanted to then chance the Flyers making a 1-year turnaround.
In fact, during that God awful season, Knuble pressed Homer for an extension... I had a chance to chat with him right after he received the extension and he said that he was thrilled to be in the organization and asked, "Who wouldn't want to play here with the Flyers"... and he sounded honest when he said that.

As you said, he could have bailed and tested the FA waters while he was at the top of his game... he could have been a TDL player and competed for the Cup rather than hit the links that April.


As you have probably guessed, I have much respect for Knuble and think he is a needed commodity here.

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Yeah but Knuble now routinely has trouble taking a shift where he isn't out of position due to just getting around the ice. Dave Andreychuk also had the game pass him by out of the lockout, but Knuble isn't 40 yet.

Like I said, with our cap situation, I'd rather it be too soon than too late.

Knuble has never been a speedster, even in his younger days... But I strongly disagree on your assertion that he is often out of position due to his condition. There are very few times his positioning has hurt the Flyers... he plays within his means, and plays a sound two-way game. Stevens has trust in him in crunch situations, that alone should disprove your statement.

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Knuble at 2 mil would be perfect

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Knuble at 2 mil would be perfect
That would be amazing. He brings just as much to the team as Lupul and at half the price? That would be a dream come true to get a PP specialist, a leader and a solid 2 way 3rd liner that can play top 6 minutes at just 2 million, especially for a team this tight to the cap.

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That would be amazing. He brings just as much to the team as Lupul and at half the price? That would be a dream come true to get a PP specialist, a leader and a solid 2 way 3rd liner that can play top 6 minutes at just 2 million, especially for a team this tight to the cap.
Unless there are bonuses involved, to get him at $2M may require multi-year... which is fine by me. Two year/$4M contract sounds good... He could mentor Hartnell and JvR over that span, and than retire in O&B -- unless there is gas left in his tank at 39, and he wants to continue crashing the net.

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It has been reported by Andy Strickland that Keith Tkachuk has re-signs for 1 year worth $2.15 million.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Andy-...umbers/5/21624

Keith made $4M last season and scored 27 goals, IIRC... By taking a back-step while still being productive, is this not a good thing for the NHL and the falling Cap and teams such as the Flyers with Cap space trouble?

To me Mike Knuble is comparable and this may help set a precedent and grease the skids for Knuble to ink a similar contract... although his Flyers ties are not as deep and longstanding as Tkachuk's is with the Blues.

... I'm wondering if Bonuses are a factor in that contract, being that it is a one year one... as the current CBA dictates for such over 35 YO bonus laden have to be.
I think I'd sign Knuble for the same contract.

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Hartnell is not on his first trip around the block at this point. There are a lot of good reasons to resign Knuble, but I am not sold that mentoring Hartnell is one of them.

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Unless there are bonuses involved, to get him at $2M may require multi-year... which is fine by me. Two year/$4M contract sounds good... He could mentor Hartnell and JvR over that span, and than retire in O&B -- unless there is gas left in his tank at 39, and he wants to continue crashing the net.
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Hartnell is not on his first trip around the block at this point. There are a lot of good reasons to resign Knuble, but I am not sold that mentoring Hartnell is one of them.
It is my view that while Hartnell has been in the NHL for quite a few seasons -- starting in his late teens -- he has a bit to learn yet... Knuble didn't prove his worth until he was older, and even though Hartnell has showed his value earlier, has not proven to be that consistent point getter from in front of the net... And he has to learn how to refine his net crashing.

Knuble also has a lot of 'tricks' to pass along as a veteran, to many of the young lions... not just Hartnell and JvR. One of the things that was missing, IMO, last season was the tutelage of veterans... Kapanen, Dowd, and even D-men, Hatcher and Smith... Taking away yet another veteran is to me a ticket to another season of mediocrity. In fact, I'd like to see them bring in a well seasoned veteran for the 4th line center spot, one who can also add to the room and practice as well as the ice and bench.

To me, Hartnell has a much larger potential than he has shown... Having him be a Knuble+ down the line is not a bad thing.

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2 yrs/3 mil would be ideal with real nice performance bonuses should he suddenly hit a wall

For a poised, calm vet with bench presence, that sharpens the blade on our PP.

Yes, yes, yes.

I would rather him take a reduced role though, sometimes what value he brings on even-strength shifts is puzzling.

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