either Lever is unprofessional or a bit of a cry-baby, or the Habs did indeed do him wrong...
By all accounts, Lever has done a great job in Hamilton (both results-wise and player development-wise). While there is absolutely nothing wrong with the team deciding to go in a different direction, the comments he made about HOW it was done indicate a pretty big problem imo.
Maybe he was given a suitable explanation, and he's just bitter and wants to throw some daggers on the way out (doesn't seem to mesh with his rep, but you never know), or the habs brass sent him packing pretty ungraciously.
As an organization, you want even the people you let go to leave on good terms, if possible. At the very least they should feel they are given adequate cause for termination, even if they don't agree.
the article and lever's comments are definitely not a good reflection on the organization...
cue the regulars flying to managements defense in 5...4...3...2...1...
So fans are now looked down upon because they support management. That's ****ing ********.
As for Lever, usually when a team tells you you are fee to look for a new job, it means your done. I don't see what the Habs did that was wrong here, they were told they were free and their contracts were expiring this month (I think) so imo it's not really fired, it's just not brought back and they were told in advance so what's the big deal.
LOL, like number9 just said, they weren't fired. Their contracts were just not renewed.
As for Lever wanting some explanations... I mean, giving him the green light to look for work elsewhere was kind obvious as to what would happen.
He'll get his answers, once mid-July comes around, until then, I think the Habs management have other things to do then to spend an hour or so saying "thank you, thank you for all you did, but we had to let you go for this and that and this that".
So fans are now looked down upon because they support management. That's ****ing ********.
As for Lever, usually when a team tells you you are fee to look for a new job, it means your done. I don't see what the Habs did that was wrong here, they were told they were free and their contracts were expiring this month (I think) so imo it's not really fired, it's just not brought back and they were told in advance so what's the big deal.
Not to start a ****storm, but didn't it seem like Gainey kind of wanted to bring Lever in as.. maybe a coach, but he doesn't have one qualification ?
Also, Boivin is an idiot. So put 2 and 2 together...
I don't think you can call an idiot a guy that has filled an arena for something like 8 years in a row and made the team's value more than double in the same period of time.
Didn't this site have a thread well over a month ago about how it was suggested that they look for work elsewhere ? Their contracts were up, the team is going in a different direction.
I think, in fact I hope, they will use the AHL to promote young coaching talent. It does 2 things, develops coaches as well as uses guys who are used to working with young players.
Exactly. I remember reading that they no longer had a contract and Gainey let them inquire about other coaching positions else where. Now that Gainey make it official they were not going to have a new contract, they have been fired? They don't have a contract, so they weren't fired and they were warned at least 2 month ago that they probably wouldn't be back, why else would Gainey say go look else where, because we want you back?
Predictable. At some point you have to pick between terrible drafts or bad player development. Specially when some shmoes put your organization at rank #2 in terms of prospect development and you deliver worst than rank #10+.
Well, obviously this has been in the pipeline for awhile. I think it's a tad melodramatic to make it sound like they're suddenly being fired. If they were given freedom a month ago to start looking at other jobs, then pretty clearly the writing was on the wall that their contracts wouldn't be renewed.
I agree, Gainey doesn't seem to make any decisions impulsively.
But how long could this decision have been in the works? Lever's call-up last year surely suggests they had something in mind for him other than a summary dismissal at the end of his contract, doesn't it? Could something have happened in the interim to change Gainey's mind?
There might be some bigger play in the works here. Perhaps Gainey has someone else in mind, planting the seeds early to groom an eventual replacement for Martin (who -- let's be honest -- is a stopgap coach with an over/under of 2 years, max).
Predictable. At some point you have to pick between terrible drafts or bad player development. Specially when some shmoes put your organization at rank #2 in terms of prospect development and you deliver worst than rank #10+.
Some people need a reality check sooo bad...
Become a fan of a team like the Islanders. Then you'll learn about terrible drafts and bad player development and realize how good the Canadiens have become.
Become a fan of a team like the Islanders. Then you'll learn about terrible drafts and bad player development and realize how good the Canadiens have become.
I didn't say #30+; I couldn't care less about comparisons with the worst drafters in the league. Do you compare players' skating to Hal Gill? I don't think so
Epic fail by the habs org. So much for rewarding loyalty, a black eye on the management that will last a long time.
Assume Gainey has someone lined up - with moves like this I can't see a lineup of qualified coaches beating Gainey's door down to beg for a job with the Habs organization!
This is a REaL baghead move - if there was ever a baghead move!
I didn't say #30+; I couldn't care less about comparisons with the worst drafters in the league. Do you compare players' skating to Hal Gill? I don't think so
You've accused the Habs organization of "terrible" drafting and "bad" player development. Aren't those words you would usually associate with a team that is the worst at those things?
So fans are now looked down upon because they support management. That's ****ing ********.
As for Lever, usually when a team tells you you are fee to look for a new job, it means your done. I don't see what the Habs did that was wrong here, they were told they were free and their contracts were expiring this month (I think) so imo it's not really fired, it's just not brought back and they were told in advance so what's the big deal.
looked down on?
it was a sarcastic comment since often times post like the one i made quickly generate angry post in the "defense of management"...
as if questioning a decision somehow equates to an attack.
as for Lever, as i posted, i think either he is overreacting or he did get treated poorly... lot's of coaches get fired, sometimes in much uglier ways, yet (either for self preservation or because the mean it) speak glowingly of their former employer.
Lever seems like a guy who has been around the block enough to know how the business runs and it's surprising the he is reacting that way... don't you think?
They fired them because the farm team has to have the same system as the NHL team. They need to bring in coaches that will specialize in puck possession rather than dumping and chasing.
You've accused the Habs organization of "terrible" drafting and "bad" player development. Aren't those words you would usually associate with a team that is the worst at those things?
Yes however you do not compare your records with records you do not want. If I compare our latest results to other successful teams who are behind us in the prospect rankings we seem to have some catching up to do. So you'd have to either blame your drafting, and improve scouting which is a long term thing, target player development and make it better or just do nothing about it.
I believe the Montreal Canadiens just elected the "target player development" and they'll try improving it.
If you don't want "terrible" or "bad", I can propose "deficient". How's that?
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Originally Posted by DobraPicka
They fired them because the farm team has to have the same system as the NHL team. They need to bring in coaches that will specialize in puck possession rather than dumping and chasing.
This is a REaL baghead move - if there was ever a baghead move!
