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06-22-2009, 10:02 PM
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I definitely think Guy Boucher is coming..

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06-22-2009, 10:09 PM
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Boucher groulx combo in hamilton

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Why would Groulx go from head coach of the Panthers farm team to assistant-coach to Boucher? Or do you think Boucher would be the assistant to Groulx? When Boucher admitted having some NHL offers on top of that?

I just feel that if Boucher doesn't have the head coaching job in Hamilton, he's not coming.

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06-22-2009, 10:17 PM
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Why would Groulx go from head coach of the Panthers farm team to assistant-coach to Boucher? Or do you think Boucher would be the assistant to Groulx? When Boucher admitted having some NHL offers on top of that?

I just feel that if Boucher doesn't have the head coaching job in Hamilton, he's not coming.
stop spitting on my fantasm

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06-22-2009, 11:11 PM
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Waste.

Bleah. Letting good people walk.

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06-23-2009, 12:28 AM
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Meh, I guess this is the last thread I'll get to post this in.


That said. Who cares.

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06-23-2009, 12:29 AM
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Meh, I guess this is the last thread I'll get to post this in.


That said. Who cares.
LOL @ Niniimaassistant-captain

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06-23-2009, 12:32 AM
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i think boucher would great in hamilton. but if he s so great why don t people suggest him as an assistant to martin?

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06-23-2009, 05:52 AM
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But they are keeping Muller...

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06-23-2009, 06:51 AM
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i think boucher would great in hamilton. but if he s so great why don t people suggest him as an assistant to martin?
He is still very young, he has to make his class in the AHL just like the others and he is the first one to admit it..

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06-23-2009, 07:42 AM
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One thing I will say though and I'm not on either side but I feel it's a good point. For all the talk about how good Lever was with our younger players etc, where has it all gone? They seem to have a lot of trouble making the AHL to NHL transition. Not saying it's lever's fault, but practically every player we draft seems to have this transitional issue. It could be just poor luck at who we draft, it could be upper management bringing players up too early, but for all the talk about how great this guy is with our youth, it certainly hasn't translated to the NHL level imo. I guess you could name a few guys who have made an impact but the ones who have people expected much more from and the ones that didn't were at least expected to be decent. Maybe management didn't like something the hamilton coaching staff was doing who knows, all I'm saying is that for a guy that people talk the world about, I don't see any players living up to expectations really, granted us fans do have high expectations, but when you see the Getzlaf's and the Kopitar's and the Carter's of the NHL, it's hard not to.

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06-23-2009, 08:21 AM
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i think boucher would great in hamilton. but if he s so great why don t people suggest him as an assistant to martin?
I wasn't impressed as much with Lever/Wilson as most Dog fans. When things didn't work Lever didn't adjust, maybe he was told certain prospects had to play regardless. although having a good record when Lever left, things seemed to be very confused at the defensive end of the bench. Don't know anything about Boucher other than his record but he will provide a french connection that was missing last year. So lets move on.

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06-23-2009, 08:34 AM
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I was never the biggest Lever fan but he did win a cup so I stopped complaining, just didn't like how he would call out players in the media, he has really ripped a few players in the past (like Locke, Milroy and others)

Once I heard about Lever and Wilson being told they can look for another job, it became clear they wouldn't be back, with a new headcoach, I don't see a problem with this, plus all the rumors of the Habs wanting to get Boucher in Hamilton. Hopefully whoever is the replacement staff in Hamilton can do a good job, I got to think management wasn't too happy with the lack of success in the playoffs this year and with the regression of all the young players from Hamilton, but that's just a guess.

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06-23-2009, 08:40 AM
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I was never the biggest Lever fan but he did win a cup so I stopped complaining, just didn't like how he would call out players in the media, he has really ripped a few players in the past (like Locke, Milroy and others)

Once I heard about Lever and Wilson being told they can look for another job, it became clear they wouldn't be back, with a new headcoach, I don't see a problem with this, plus all the rumors of the Habs wanting to get Boucher in Hamilton. Hopefully whoever is the replacement staff in Hamilton can do a good job, I got to think management wasn't too happy with the lack of success in the playoffs this year and with the regression of all the young players from Hamilton, but that's just a guess.
do you mean the guy in montreal? (kostitsyns,obyrne,price,higgins,plekanec,ect) so i dont know how this is Lever fault`?

i tought the young guys in hamilton developped well this year (weber,maxwell,white,pacioretty ect)

anyway, i hope boucher get the job

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06-23-2009, 08:51 AM
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do you mean the guy in montreal? (kostitsyns,obyrne,price,higgins,plekanec,ect) so i dont know how this is Lever fault`?

i tought the young guys in hamilton developped well this year (weber,maxwell,white,pacioretty ect)

anyway, i hope boucher get the job
Yes the guys in Montreal. They were developed under Lever (not Higgins/Pleks and I'm not counting Price) so I don't see why he wouldn't get some of the blame.

It was a good year for the guys in Hamilton, but clearly Gainey felt something was wrong since he is going in a different direction.

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06-23-2009, 11:24 AM
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I don't know much about Boucher but why do some guys here have such a huge chubbie for this guy?

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06-23-2009, 12:02 PM
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I don't know much about Boucher but why do some guys here have such a huge chubbie for this guy?
He's recognize for his innovative PP methods and a new way of coaching.

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06-23-2009, 12:25 PM
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I don't know much about Boucher but why do some guys here have such a huge chubbie for this guy?
What a turnaround the Volts had this year, to go from one of the bottom teams in the Q to winning the QMJHL championship the next year. Plus he looks like a very intense coach, I watched him in the playoffs and his eyes would get real big when he talks to his players, and his players seemed to get the message.

Since other NHL teams are interested in him, I think it would be good to get him in our system now and groom him as a possible coach for us down the road.

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06-24-2009, 06:39 PM
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Seems the only person not losing his job in Montreal is...


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06-24-2009, 06:51 PM
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Yes the guys in Montreal. They were developed under Lever (not Higgins/Pleks and I'm not counting Price) so I don't see why he wouldn't get some of the blame.

It was a good year for the guys in Hamilton, but clearly Gainey felt something was wrong since he is going in a different direction.
I don't follow this logic at all.

If the players performed well in Hamilton and only regressed once reaching the NHL, then surely the blame rests squarely on teh shoulders of our NHL coaching staff.

It seems Lever did his job, which was to develop players to the point where they were ready for the NHL. At that point it's someone elses job to help them make that "next step", and that's where we've failed completely.

It just seems odd to me to blame Lever, like it's his fault that players are not performing once they're out of his control? I would think at least 95% of the blame must go to carbo, and our assistant coaches, not to Lever who got them to an NHL level in the first place.

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I don't know much about Boucher but why do some guys here have such a huge chubbie for this guy?
Partly because he had a good season and partly because he would fill the french connection which was missing last year.

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06-25-2009, 08:00 AM
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I don't follow this logic at all.

If the players performed well in Hamilton and only regressed once reaching the NHL, then surely the blame rests squarely on teh shoulders of our NHL coaching staff.

It seems Lever did his job, which was to develop players to the point where they were ready for the NHL. At that point it's someone elses job to help them make that "next step", and that's where we've failed completely.

It just seems odd to me to blame Lever, like it's his fault that players are not performing once they're out of his control? I would think at least 95% of the blame must go to carbo, and our assistant coaches, not to Lever who got them to an NHL level in the first place.

My take is that Lever gets some of the blame as well as Carbo, Gainey and Timmins. Since Lever is out of a job, I assume that management is not happy with him or he'd still be here, unless JM really wanted a say in who was the AHL coach, not sure if that would even work out that way.

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06-25-2009, 08:18 AM
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They weren't fired....they just didn't have their contracts renewed....so they were let go.

The whole Lever being upset crap was blown out of proportion. He was told months ago that he was free to look for a job elsewhere. He should have known that meant he likely wouldn't be back in Hamilton or with the Habs.

The media made a much bigger deal about this than there should have been. The Habs decided to go in a different direction....thats a good enough reason for me and Lever should have seen it coming a month ago when he was given permission to find another job.

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